Number of Muslims in prison doubles

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2014 07:04

Number of Muslims in prison doubles in decade to 12,000

One in seven prisoners (14 per cent) in England and Wales is a Muslim, according to figures from the Ministry of Justice.

The number of Muslims in the prison population has more than doubled to nearly 12,000 in a decade, figures from the Ministry of Justice show.

The dramatic rise prompted calls for ministers to investigate whether police and the courts are treating Muslims more harshly, with some suggesting the rise is due to Islamophobia.
Muslims represent only 4.7 per cent of the population in England and Wales, according to the most recent Census, yet one in seven prisoners (14 per cent) in England and Wales is a Muslim, according to the statistics.

In some jails the proportion of Islamic inmates is more than one-third, and in Whitemoor, a Category A prison in Cambridgeshire, it is as high as 43 per cent.

The Muslim prison population has increased from 5,502 (7.7 per cent) in 2002 to 11,729 in 2013 (14 per cent) and is set to continue rising rapidly because of the large numbers of Muslim teenagers in youth jails.

Other jails with a startlingly high proportion include Isis (34 per cent) and Feltham (33 per cent), both in London.
Some research suggests around one-third of Muslim inmates are from Caribbean or African backgrounds.

The shadow Justice Secretary, Sadiq Khan, who obtained the statistics, said: "It is astonishing and a huge concern that one in seven prisoners is Muslim. This is compared to just one in 20 of the population. He said the Government's "complacency [on the issue] is breath-taking".

Penal experts point out there are large numbers of teenagers and young men of Pakistani and Bangladeshi heritage in the peak age group for criminal offending of 15 to 25.

Muzammil Quraishi, a senior lecturer in criminology and criminal justice at Salford University, said: "Young Muslim men are under the official gaze from their school days onwards - they have the lens of the state turned on them. Certain populations can become suspect populations in the eyes of the law enforcement agencies."

Amal Imad, of the charity Muslim Aid, suggested that poor educational performance, problems finding fulfilling jobs and family breakdown were factors in the increasing numbers of Muslims behind bars. She said: "It may be that they can't integrate into society, they don't think they have a positive chance to integrate into society."

Mizanur Rahman, a spokesman for the organisation Muslim Prisoners, blamed the spike on Islamophobia and racism among police officers.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2014 08:39

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Question is, why are they their in the first place ?

-wrong place, wrong time
-idiot judge wanted to make an example out of them when he/she could have given community service instead
-targeted for being Muslim
-career criminal into drugs and scams and has no alternative
-went inside once for something small, came out and due to the criminal record became a full time criminal
-and many more etc

Yes it's true prisons in UK are run by Muslim gangs, that's why a lot of blacks when they go inside they convert as they know its the only way they'll get the protection. Otherwise they're own kind usually stab them up.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 29th March 2014 13:32

salaams brother jinn, where did you get this information that prisons are run by muslim gangs?? and where did you find out that there own kind usually stab them up?? have you ever been in a prison and which ones??
with regards to why are they there in the first place, every case will have individual circumstances. yes some muslims are bad but yes some authorities are prejudiced against muslims. Anyway our job now is how to stop this trend, how to help those inside and how to help those who return to the outside world. There is some good dawah work being done by chaplains mashaAllah, may allah give them steadfastness

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 30th March 2014 19:31

I think what the brother jinn has said above should not be taken seriously until some sort of verification is provided (im not saying he won't provide evidence) i know several people who have been in prison and have never heard of any muslim gangs running the prisons, i've also visited a prison and met staff etc and again never heard of these so called muslim gangs. the only place i've heard this is in the media. again same with the issue of blacks becoming muslim due to fear of ''there own kind'' stabbing them up, i know several black brothers who have embraced islam in and out of prison but never heard of these muslim gangs running the show. stabbings obviously do occur within priso but it can be black white or asain. so until some sort of reliable evidence is provided i don't think anyone should take them statements seriously, infact i think admin should not allow the statements to be seen by anyone until evidence is provided as it paints a negative picture of muslims in the hearts and minds of muslims which we don't need

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 30th March 2014 19:49

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Well that's to bad then as my sources tell me something else. Sorry to burst your bubble but such things do exist, in prison there is a big gang culture, people will mix in their own, so if they're Polish they will go and hang about with the poles, the blacks with the blacks, but the Muslims stick together regardless of race, colour and if anyone comes to them and embraces the religion they'll provide protection for him, in case other gang members are after him etc. I have known black drug dealers who went inside and they become muslim inside and once out they kept the Islamic name. I know other brothers been in and out too, but due to personal and anonymity reasons I don't want to go into it too much detail so I'll be leaving it here

Believe it or not that's up to you and neither am I trying to convince you.

Prison my friend is not all rosy as you might think it is and it's certainly not like what's portrayed on the media or the movies or of what the prison staff told you.

My post shouldn't be taken seriously ? I believe people who can't bothered to register on the forum they're posts shouldn't be taken seriously, in fact they shouldn't be allowed to post on the forum, I made a thread too about it.

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 30th March 2014 20:53

brother i think your making more of what i said than is needed, i asked for evidence - and the second post i again said that im not doubting you providing evidence, i said it shouldn't be taken seriously UNTIL you provide evidence. secondly nowhere did i say prison life is like the media/movies(i dont watch so wouldnt know) or that its a nice place. I asked specifically what is your evidence that muslim gangs run prisons - a very general statment aswell - you might have meant 2 prisons out of all the prisons. please provide the evidence inshaAllah secondly someone becoming muslim inside comes out keeps the name IS a muslim. your entitled to your opinion with regards to people who cant be bothered to register however i can be bothered but i have my reasons. and that topic should be discussed in the correct forum inshaAllah. so in essence all im asking for is evidence muslim gangs run prisons and some info on this inshaAllah, jazakallahu khair

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 30th March 2014 21:34

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My evidence are my sources, people I know. The rest I don't want to go into for my own reasons which I've listed above anyway.

Other than that I believe there have been some articles on this on the news as well and online, some fairly accurate, some with some truth and some overly exaggerated. You can find them online on google if you want.

The rest Allah knows best.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2014 12:14

jazakalah khair akhi but i cant agree with your statements. your sources are not enough for the claims you made. my sources are contrary to yours. either way both of us don't know enough people in prison or released to know the whole situation with prison life and not only prison life but prison life in all the different prisons in the uk, so to claim muslim gangs run prisons is something i can't agree to. also i understand where your coming from about not going into too much detail, im in the same boat. And to go by media reports, again i can't agree to that to be an evidence. journalist may have visited 100 prisons found a problem in one and reported it in a manner that its widespread. so unless you can give clear cut evidence to suggest prisons are run by muslim gangs i again have to warn people not to take your post seriously. im not trying to discredit you in any way, but this is how i feel.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2014 12:57

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- Whar kind of evidence would you like ? A consensus survey or some data gathering from a specialist agency to be acceptable to you. The article posted op was also taken from a new site.

- It's natural for people to protect their own kind and secondly to stick to their own kind.

- I don't agree with any of what you have said so far and neither have you provided any evidence for it, but feel free to believe what you want to believe.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2014 13:03

Knock yourself out

www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3913/uk-muslim-prison-population

Google is filled with articles etc feel free to help yourself. All the articles and research is claiming something else and your claiming somethimg else, Either someone's lied to you, told you less or I think there is a big cover up behind the scenes bro don't you think ?

Maybe the Illuminati/Freemasons/Rothschild trying to cover up things .....CONSPIRACY AKHII

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2014 15:01

akhi no one mentioned any conspiricy theories, please don't try mocking me to take away from the discussion - this isn't good adab
The study examines the Islamic "gang culture" inside the Whitemoor Prison in Cambridgeshire, which houses around 500 of the most dangerous prisoners in Britain. Researchers from the Cambridge Institute of Criminology who wrote the report found that more than one third (39%) of the prisoners at Whitemoor are Muslims.
anyway jazakallah khair for the article but it itself helps me in my claim, first of all it is a study and not a type of evidence or conclusive finding. secondly its only based on one prison. 3rdly the prison has got 39% muslims which is more than double the figure given for muslims in prison, 4thly some ex convict by the name of jay said muslims run the prisons isn't evidence to me and i doubt for anyone else. another thing im not here to argue im right and your wrong , i just want evidence and verification for your claim

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2014 15:22

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Where is your clear cut evidence ?

Providing the link above was a random google search, I'd link more but can't as many of the links contains pictures etc. Point was if you want evidence then either research it online and make up your own opinion or ask someone who knows, so far what you have said dont add up to my info of what I know.

Anyway this is becoming a bit of a pathetic debate now and I'll leave it here to argue on points is baseless that will neither benefit you or me, because I won't accept your say on it and you won't to mine. But if Muslims get locked up then there brethren will take care of them if they want, however if you or others don't want it then that's fine too you've always got the kuffar to watch your back and I wish you the best in that. However lets leave this here now.

The rest Allah knows best so lets leave it here.

Focus should be on how we can stop these people getting there and if they do end up there then what help do they have available to put their life back on track once out.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2014 15:44

my evidence for what?? all i asked was prove muslim gangs run prisons, if your going to put a statement that muslim gangs run prisons on the world wide web then back up your claim. also im not debating just asking for some evidence, as i clearly said above i don't know enough people who have been in and out of prison to know the whole situation. and your being a bit childish talking about the kuffar to watch my back, your making claims on muslims im asking you to prove it. one thing is for someone to back someone up and its a totally different thing to say muslim gangs run prisons. please provide some evidence inshaAllah.
how would you suggest to help the brothers once there out or even stop them going in, do you know anything that is in place

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2014 15:50

sorry above i meant to say im not here to argue that im right and your wrong. i wasn't saying that i am right and that you are wrong. sorry for any confusion or offence caused

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 5th April 2014 16:00

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I'll put it in bold for you this time

See post 5 and 7 of this thread, the people I know the brothers I know they are my sources. I think that's pretty simple english I've also used in those posts so I'm failing to understand which part dont make sense to you, as you keep going on about sources. Perhaps I should ask some brothers to do a YouTube interview for you right ? Lol

Hang on you were claiming something else above and now you say you don't know enough people who've been inside to know the whole situation ? Whereas above you were saying you don't want to go into for personal reasons which I respect, but why all of a sudden claim now you don't even know the whole situation ??

Akhii are you a troll or something and this is your way of killing time ? Certainly seems like it.

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