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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 09:18

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 09:18

49 Crore reward - please refer the attached picture.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 10:37

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 11:02

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The second factor is that we find errors in belief and errors in action. In my understanding, an error in action is not as serious an error in belief. Although these people (of the Tabligh Jama'at do correct errors in action, they create errors in belief, which is much more harmful. The first error is that they regard a mustahab as being fardh. They interpret the virtues of j!had as the virtues of Tabligh. By your interpretation, the highest status that can be deduced is that of being mustahab. However, these people accord it the status of sunnah mu'akkadah.....

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One factor has been omitted. It is the reply to your statement that the Ahadith stating the virtues of j!had have been accredited to the work of Tabligh. This is quite in order. The reason for this is commonly understood. There are two factors to be understood here. The first is that actually fighting the enemies of Islam is usually referred to as j!had. It has its own virtues and enjoys a very high status. The second thing is to exhort oneself for the Deen of Allah, even though this does not culminate actual fighting. A study of the Qur'an and the Ahadith will reveal that this is also referred to as j!had. In his commentary of Bukhari entitled Fathul Bari, Hafidh Ibn Hajar رحمة الله عليه has stated that acquiring the knowledge of Deen (learning), imparting it (teaching) as well as enjoining good and forbidding evil are all forms of j!had. In the like manner, writing books of Deen, explaining masaa'il to people, responding to those who object to the Deen and debating with them are also forms of j!had. In fact, Imam Nawawi رحمة الله عليه has mentioned approximately thirteen forms of j!had. Allah states in a verse of the Qur'an:

"O Nabi Wage j!had against the Kuffar and the Munaafiqin..."
Tahrim:9

Although this verse instructs the waging of j!had against the Kuffar and the Munafiqin, the sword was never drawn against the Munafiqin. Allah says in another verse:

"We shall definitely show Our avenues to those who exert themselves in our cause..."
'Ankabut: 69

Even in this verse, the term j!had does not refer to fighting with the sword.

The term 'khurooj fee sabeelilllah' (going out in the path of Allah) is not exclusively used for fighting. In his Chapter of jihad (pg. 394), Imam Bukhari رحمة الله عليه has reported a hadith that states:

"The fire (of Jahannam) will not touch the feet of the person whose feet became dusty in the path of Allah."

Imam Bukhari رحمة الله عليه has also quoted the Hadith in his Chapter of Jumu'ah (pg. 124) with the words:

"Allah has forbiden the fire (of Jahannam) from the person whose feet have become dusty in the path of Allah."

This makes it evident that this term is not used exclusively for fighting (because the person proceeding for the Jumu'ah salah is also classified as someone who is in the path of Allah).

It should also be noted that the purpose of fighting in j!had is not to merely to spill blood, but to elevate the Deen. Then too, fighting with the sword will take place only when such an obstacle stands in the path of the elevation of the Deen which can be removed only by fighting with the sword. The procedure is that people are first invited to accept Islam. If they refuse, the sword is not yet drawn. They are then given the option of paying the jizya. If they accept this, they sword will not be necessary. If not the sword will be used as a last measure because there now stands an obstacle to the flourishing of the Deen. While there are great rewards for this (fighting with the sword), it stands to reason that the rewards for achieving the objectives of this fighting with the sword should be much greater. And Allah Knows best.

Written by the servant Mahmud (may Allah forgive him)

Taken from the book, Mufti Mahmud Hasan Sahib Gangohi and the Tabligh Jama'at

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 11:04

There is extreme ghuloo in this issue and it would be better to abstain from narrating many such virtues.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 11:08

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We'll try to stay away from ghuloo by posting only from what the Ulama have said...

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 11:12

While I totally agree with what Brother Sulaiman has posted (i.e khurooj is also a type of jihad), is it correct to say that the one who is in actual fighting jihaad the same as the one who goes out for da'wah and tabligh (with no fighting)? Is it correct to say that they both get the same reward?

After all, the former is putting his life on the line, the latter is not.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 11:14

True you are right. Haifz Suleiman a genuine question. As you know 1 of the categories of people who can be given zakah are those who are fisabillah. Is this applicable to tabligh jamaat etc or is this limited to qitaal? Why is it limited to qitaal in this case? Genuine question if you could post the response or muadh etc.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 11:18

I think this is analogous to the one dies by drowning and the one who dies in actual qitaal. Both are considered martyrs. However, only the second one will be buried like a martyr (i.e. No ghusl) and the first will be buried normally. Meaning, the latter was an actual shar'i martyr, the former just got the reward of martyrdom (and maybe not even the full reward).

Could the same reasoning be applied to tabligh vs. qitaal?

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 12:09

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where is this reasoning? what is it from? is it from hadith or the salaf? we cannot make up our own rulings and understanding. if there is a basis to this reasoning then all is good. i would like to see the basis for this reasoning.

can this reasoning also be extended to other acts carried out for the sake of allah? such as feeding the poor? housing the homeless? helping the elderly? collecting money for charity? attending to a sick or injured person? homeschooling children in order to keep them safe from the kufr which is taught in kafir schools?

i am homeschooling my kids as i type this. i do this to safeguard their iman and for their tarbiyyah. i do this for the sake of allah. if i were to die now would i die as a martyr?

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 12:13

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Yes.

Fee Sabeelillah is a general term applied for any good actions so by using the Tableeghi analogy the reward can be extended to a number of things.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 12:23

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The jihad will still be afzal regardless

See post 21 by Mufti Abu Hajira, he makes other good posts in this thread too

www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?78395-tabligh-and...

This thread might also be useful here in this thread

www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?29176-Objections-...

The rest Allah knows best

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 12:41

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imagine if i were to say to the tablighis that i cant come to jamaat for the weekend because i am looking after my family...

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 12:41

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And the same applies to the deeds that merit rewards of Haj.. something i found here.. tazkiyatips.blogspot.ae/2013/02/deeds-that-equal-reward-o...

1. The promises of "gaining the same reward as Haj" that are mentioned above, are restricted to the reward only. It does not mean that one upon whom Haj is obligatory can merely suffice on these deeds. (Sharh-Nawawi 'ala muslim, hadith:1256 & Fathul Mulhim, vol.6, pg.123)

2. Imam Tirmidhi (rahimahullah) has quoted Imaam Is-haq Ibn Rahuyah (rahimahullah) as saying that this reward should be understood in the light of the hadith that explains surah ikhlaas to be equal to one third of the Quraan. (Sunan Tirmidhi, after hadith:939) i.e, one who recites it will receive the reward of reciting one third, but since he hasn't physically done so the reward will not be multiplied. (Sharh Nawawi, vol.1 pg.271) The reward for physically doing an act is multiplied ten times and more in accordance to the sincerity, and sacrifice that accompanies it.

Mufti Mahmudul Hasan Gangohi (rahimahullah) has also highlighted this in his Malfuzat.

Furthermore, by memorizing/reciting surah ikhlas thrice, one does not become a hafidh of the entire Quran..!

3. The purpose here is not to discourage one from the actual Haj. Like they say: "There's nothing like the real thing.."

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 12:44

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Asalamualikum brother Sulaiman84,

I agree one should consult with a qualified scholar if in doubt about a particular narration, but if he can't confirm the source of a narration then it's nothing more than a mere opinion and Rasoolulalh (SAW) said in a narration said that attributing lies from him is a grave sin and one who does not authenticate what he's heard and has builds a habit of just repeating what he's heard again and again is enough to label him as a liar. Everything, I do in life when it comes to deen is and always will be back-up by sound narrations and/or the Qu'ran.

1), Please get back to me when you've heard from the Mufti, I'd like the source and the isnad if possible, Jazak'Allah.

2) The narration of Riwayah of Ibn Hibban, can you, please source+quote the entire Hadith and the isnad and the same for the Hadith from Tirmidhi.

3) Can you confirm the exact verses from the Qu'ran and again source+quote the 2 narrations from Muslim you mentioned.

4) You've made reference to 5 narrations here. Again, if you can source+quote all whenever time permits.

So, if a person misquotes or just randomly makes up the reward one will get for a particular deed, this is deemed acceptable?

Jazak'Alla and may Allah reward you for your time anf effort.

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