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#151 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 23:48

Both of you are still quoting me and asking me questions which I have NO answers to. I am a jaahil, I can barely string two words of Arabic together. Please pose these questions to an 'Aalim or a Mufti, and post the answers here for our benefit insha'Allah.

Just know that there are 70 different words in the Arabic language for the word "Farmer". Just saying...

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#152 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2014 00:33

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we are talking about the word ghazi and how it can apply to someone who is not engaged in jihad, or who is not receiving the merit due to assisting a ghazi or looking after the family of a ghazi.

can you please type out or show a scan of the word ghazi from the same dictionary which you have already displayed.

edit: hint. it is just at the bottom of the page below 'magzah'.

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#153 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2014 00:45

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I agree with your query and I m also not really convinced that ghazi being something other than warrior in the context of that particular hadith. But Hadith translations are pretty complicated, lets see if we can get a commentary on the hadith and what all rulings are derived from the hadith.

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#154 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2014 00:54

i cannot see any other usage for the word ghazi apart from the following...

from Hans Wehr 4th ed., page 788 (of 1300)

gazin pl. guzah one who carries out a military expedition or a foray; raider, invader, aggressor, conqueror;
al-gazi the war lord, warrior champion. ghazi

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#155 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2014 01:15

again the following is the only usage of the word ghazi...

Arabic-English Lexicon
by Edward William Lane

Gazin One going, or who goes, to fight with, and plunder, the enemy, in the country of the latter; [one engaging, or who engages, in a warring, or warring or plundering, expedition: and a warrior, in a general sense:]

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#156 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2014 01:53

Brother xs11ax,

Why are you being so obsessed with literal meaning of a word? In Hadith words are sometimes used as metaphor. See this example:

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#157 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2014 02:00

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spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=6444&CATE=1408

Sa'eed ibn al-Jubayr narrated on the authority of Ibn Umar, (may Allah be well pleased with father and son), saying,
"I believe he [i.e. Ibn 'Umar] raised it to the Prophet, may Allah bless him and give him peace,

"A woman in her pregnancy to the time of her delivery to the time of her weaning is like a soldier in the way of Allah."

[Hilyah of Abu Na'eem al-Asbahani]

I don't know if its mentioned in the arabic matn of the above hadith as 'ghazi feesabilillah' but its evident that Rasoolullah (saw)

has mentioned many other deeds are like the soldiers in the way of Allah ie ghazi feesabilillah.

So back to the hadith dr76 mentioned.

Hazrat Ibn Umar رضي الله عنه narrates a saying of Rasulullah (saw)

" Al Ghazi Feesabilillah .. Haji.. and one who performs Umrah are amongst the delegations of Allah, whatever dua they make are accepted."
(Ibn Majah, Sahih Ibn Habaan, Bahiqi,Nisai, Sahih Ibn Khuzaimah)
(I wrote 'Al Ghazi Feesabilillah' instead of 'striving in the path of Allah')

In that case can a Pregnant or breastfeeding Mother be included under the meaning of Al Ghazi Feesabilillah just like Tableegh was included?

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#158 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2014 02:03

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going to bed now or it will be too difficult to wake up for the sake of allah. i am now a ghazi and in the path of allah. if you fluff my pillows for me then you will also be a ghazi as you will be assisting a ghazi. we all ghazis now!

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#159 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2014 02:16

I kinda feel guilty now for engaging in this discussion.
Whatever you guys do, always have in mind the difference between 'equal' and 'equivalent'.

I am out.

wasalaam.

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#160 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2014 02:16

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Brother please don't kill me, an innocent civilian in your shooting spree. I was merely saying that you can't interpret a Hadith on the basis of literal meaning.

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#161 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2014 02:17

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Bhai, while I agree that the word "ghazi" shouldn't be slapped on like a sticker to just anyone, we also have to remember that some ahadtih may not use it literally.

Remember the example of the two martyrs I gave earlier in this thread? One dies in actual battle, another dies by drowning. Both are martyrs. The latter gets the reward of martyrdom (and perhaps not even the full reward either), but he will be buried like a normal Muslim. The former is an actual shar'i martyr, meaning he gets the actual and full reward of martyrdom and he will be buried like a martyr.

Now apply this to the ahadith using the word "ghazi" (like the hadith posted by 'Umar, even though we need to know if the arabic word 'ghazi' is even used). The person may get the reward (or at least a similar reward) as a ghazi, but he will not actually be a ghazi, because a true ghazi is the one who actually fight in the path of Allah.

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#162 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2014 02:21

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lol i was just joking brother. chill.

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#163 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2014 02:25

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my only concern was the mistranslated hadith. i was not commenting on anything else.

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#164 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2014 03:26

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In Mishkatul Masabih, from Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud, under the chapter of Zakat, Hadith #1785:

العامل على الصدقة بالحق كالغازي في سبيل الله ، حتى يرجع إلى بيته

The truthful giver of charity is like the Ghazi in the path of Allah until he returns to his home.

library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?flag=1&b...

In the pic that I posted from my last post, the hans wehr dictionary gave some of the meanings of ghazaa as: to strive, aspire, mean, intend. Then it goes on to list the general meanings of the word such as military expedition, to make a raid etc...

So even if you take that meaning, it goes fine with what dr76 posted as a translation.

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الشكر قيد الموجود وصيد المفقود

Shukr binds the present (bounties) and traps the absent (bounties)

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#165 [Permalink] Posted on 13th March 2014 09:29

salaam

i have gone way beyond and above what i wanted to say on this matter. alhamdolillah, i have a learnt a lot from this discussion. i am not convinced by the opposing argument and inshallah i hope that allah gives me the opportunity, ability, and capacity to learn further. i thank the brothers for keeping this discussion civil and for not resorting to underhanded tactics. i apologise to anyone that i have offended and ask for their forgiveness and hope that everyone will make dua for me, as i will make dua for you all.

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