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#136 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 21:10

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The Respected translator Hazrat Maulana Muhammed Usman sahab Madani (db) teaches Bukhari Sharif at Madinah Munawwara and was given the task to translate by Hazrat Mufti Aashiq Ilahi Bulandshahri رحمة الله عليه
and he translates it as "Allah ke raaste ka Mujahida" which translates to English as "Striving in the path of Allah".

when u claim not knowing Arabic then plz leave it to the ulema..

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#137 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 21:19

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What they said is wrong as Allah has kept people reviving the different branches of Deen, as clearly seen throughout the world.

The issue at hand hear is the use of certain words for different actions in Deen. The ulama have clearly shown the permissibility of this from Qur'an and Hadith.

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#138 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 21:20

Unhelpful remarks from guest has lead to the few posts above from abu muhammed bringing out uncalled for statements in my opinion. No need to react to them posts , seems the bitterness within (justified or not) ghuses out when push comes to shove.

I edited due to seening new posts

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#139 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 21:22

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no. the issue at hand is the word ghazi in the hadith posted by dr76 and the hadith which you referred to from riyadh us saliheen.

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#140 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 21:22

جزاك الله خيرا to both of the above posts

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#141 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 21:25

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Inna lillah wa inna lillah ilaihi ra ji aoun

Akhi I'm astounded that you make such a claim, if a few Tableeghi's make such a ridiculous claim you think the Tableeghi's don't believe their is a jihad ? So you went ahead and believed it ?

This is false. However lets not elaborate on it any more though.

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#142 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 21:26

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this is the correct translation...

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "The soldier in the path of Allah and the one who performs Hajj and the one who performs 'Umrah, all are the delegation of Allah! He called them and they answered. And they asked Him, and He shall grant them (what they ask for)!" (Authentic, narrated by Ibn Majah and Ibn Hibban)

no matter how hard you try, ghazi can only be translated as warrior/soldier. it cannot be translated as anything else.

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#143 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 21:29

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I have Not 'Tried' anything.. but translated to English what the respected scholar translated in Urdu..

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#144 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 21:31

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sorry. i didnt mean you literally.

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#145 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 21:33

question to the arabic speaking brothers.

is al ghazi a verb or a noun?

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#146 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 21:43

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Don't worry brother, I don't believe that is the belief of the tablighi Jamaat. I never have. Just the belief of some respected "unqualified" non scholared/non learned brothers.

Just that I pray to Allah they don't spread their beliefs amongst others and I'm sure (thinking positive) that they have rectified their position, Alhumdulillah.

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#147 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 22:39

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Al-Ghazi does actually mean "the Warrior", i.e. its a noun. I dont speak Arabic, but you don't need to be an 'aalim to know this.

That being said, I do agree with bro Sulaiman that this word can have multiple meanings as explained by the 'ulamaa'. I personally don't know any hadith like that, and maybe Hafiz Sulaiman doesn't either, but thats fine. We are not 'ulamaa here. I suggest you pose this question to the 'ulamaa, and they may be able to pull out a hadith for you.

Please forgive me (all) If I have said anything wrong.

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#148 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 23:07

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As did the 'Ulema explain where? I'm the Guest who "quoted Hadhrat X and Hadhrat Y" (lol) earlier on, but I also do not feel comfortable about the word Ghazi being used for anything besides Warrior on the battlefield unless explained by scholars (like they did explain the word Mujahid thoroughly). I know my feeling comfortable or not holds no weight in the realm of Shariah and it's sciences, but I don't see the possibility for changing the meaning.

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#149 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 23:24

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salaam

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Hazrat Ibn Umar رضي الله عنه narrates a saying of Rasulullah (saw)

that striving in the path of Allah.. Haji.. and one who performs Umrah are amongst the delegations of Allah, whatever dua they make are accepted. (Ibn Majah, Sahih Ibn Habaan, Bahiqi,Nisai, Sahih Ibn Khuzaimah)

here the noun 'al ghazi' (warrior) has been translated as 'striving'.

striving is a verb.

so how can a noun be translated into a verb?

instead should it not have been translated as 'striver'? but then that would be the incorrect translation as the correct translation would be warrior.

so the correct translation is...

"The soldier/warrior in the path of Allah and the one who performs Hajj and the one who performs 'Umrah, all are the delegation of Allah! He called them and they answered. And they asked Him, and He shall grant them (what they ask for)!" (Authentic, narrated by Ibn Majah and Ibn Hibban)

which ulama have said that this word can have multiple meanings?

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#150 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2014 23:47

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Multiple meanings from a linguistic perspective.

www.tyndalearchive.com/tabs/lane/

Hans Wehr dictionary has an even simpler layout on the multiple meanings of Ghazaw/Ghazaa

A person could probably find more classical meanings in books like Lisanul Arab and Qamusul Muhit...

Edit: different meanings from the Hans Wehr Dictionary below...

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