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#76 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 22:29

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Right, what about the sources? Does the PDF file also have the isnads?

To be more specific if I refuse to go for 3, 40 days or 40 months, I'm sinful? This is my main question. Many contemporary scholars never went for a day. Many of the elders make out if I refuse to go then I'll be accountable on the Day of Judgement.

I'm aware that performing Daw'wah when time permits and within out capacity is obligatory.

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#77 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 22:30

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Ummah forum is more or less a casual forum where both genders communicate with one another, socially.

No different to BL.

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#78 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 22:34

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Oh, if it's what you were mentioning from before, then it's along the lines of what dr sahib posted on certain actions having rewards that are particular to themselves although other actions may have similar rewards.

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#79 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 22:36

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The battlefield and the mujahid will always be greater there's no doubt in that.

However this is also a big part/branch of it and there is also some reward init. It's an effort that imitates the Sahaaba رضي الله عنه big time, 6 points are 6 common things found in all/majority of the Sahaaba رضي الله عنه
We can never even dream of the sacrifices given by them, truth be told we got lucky of being born in Muslim households, were Muslims by chance not choice. However what we can do is try to copy the Sahaba رضي الله عنه and the Prophet (saw)

and the Ambiya (as) and this is exactly what this effort is about.

Akhii I've travelled the world and sat with all sorts but for me personally this is the closest effort to Quran and Sunnah I have found.

It's an effort based on the ijtehad of the Ulema and its accepted effort, you should hear the 'karagaguzuris' brothers have to tell when they come back, astonishing, mind boggling. You know we hear miracles of Sufi saints these brothers go out and experience it themselves, experience the help of Allah, but it's downplayed by the elders as they don't want the masses focusing on the miracles side, rather they want them to focus on Allah and everything happens from Him, that's it. I'm not even a tableeghi myself but I have love for this effort, there's kher/good init and a lot of it.

Those who try to copy Rasoolalah (saw)

and his Sahaaba رضي الله عنه can never go wrong, and that's exactly what this effort is about.

The rest Allah knows best

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#80 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 22:38

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I hope some of your doubts have been cleared up akhii

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#81 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 22:45

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A little bit, yes.

Come over to HCY now again. :D

Check it out.

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#82 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 22:49

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I will do akhii, once I've figured out my password again

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#83 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 23:10

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Most Ahadith compilations for laymen don't have the full isnad because they wouldn't know how to analyze it. This book only has the matn (text) along with the name of the muhaddith, with brief commentary of the chain. You'd have to refer to ulama to analyze the chain of narrators.

You won't. Just make intention to give time and make some effort for Deen and do good for the ummah, whichever form it may be.

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#84 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2014 02:22

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Disagree. Why not listen to ruqya a
Bit ( too ) more 4 hours? For sometime?

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#85 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2014 07:49

I was under the impression that shaykh zakariyyah and mufti mahmood hasan were real authorities for deobandis who claim to follow ulama, unless there are equally weighty authorities who had pointed out the fact that these two had erred in such works which have been widely available for decades.

Unfortunately it's normal for deobandis today to follow such ulama only when it matches what they want to believe; and when it doesn't match they become 'salafi' and start looking for daleel (i.e. excuses) not to follow them. I'm not referring to Imam Ali & others here who are sincere and/or probably yet to find a reliable group of ulama they are satisfied with.

In any case, for those who are salafis or mujtahids, shaykh zakariyyah backs up his position properly with sound daleel.

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#86 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2014 11:37

In my humble and unqualified opinion if people have any other Islamic groups working on a global level but at grass roots in reviving Eeemaan with results matching that of Tableeghi Jamaat, I would like to know.

The result is in the improvements of life styles of hundreds of thousands (if not millions).

Particularly for people in the West, would other choice have we got?

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#87 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2014 12:39

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See, that's my point. We don't want to magnify this issue to one of Barelwi or even Qadiyani size, right? If exaggerating with the rewards of Tabligh was such a heinous sin and a matter of Jannah or Jahannam, then our scholars would've definitely been more concerned about it. Also most laymen don't insist on it being Ahadith when narrating them in their talks. Hadhrat, if my comments are hurting, offending or disrespecting anyone, feel free to edit or even delete them (as harming a brother is Haram). And I feel bad for deviating the thread again, but my stance still stands that these are not crucial issues.

Wether Jihad or Tabligh is more rewarding, I think the right approach has to be that the virtues varies according to the need. And not the need according to the virtues. Nobody is diminishing the rewards of actual Qitaal: Even Hadhratji Maulana Ilyas (rahmatullah alayh) used to say, that the ultimate goal and wish of every Muslim's efforts should be matyrdom in Allah's path. But even our beloved Master (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) used to advise the Sahabah according to their circumstances, for example at one incident he gave preferance to serving the mother. But preferences like this don't mean all fighting should abandon the battlefield and go take care of their mother, and nor do other narrations imply that all sons should abondon their mothers and join the battlefield. No matter which path that leads to Allah you choose to sacrifce your precious life for, Allah ta'ala will by his Mercy reward you with the highest ranks of Jannah.

@Muadh: Good point. Also, joining the effort of Tabligh should be done with a greater concern of rectifying one's own life than the lifes of the whole humankind.

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#88 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2014 12:52

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I'm all in agreement so there's no issues there. Merely the point of evidence must be there at all times.

Don't get me wrong either, although I've only been in Jamaat twice, it changed my life for the better Alhumdulillah and I'm always going to be there for their defence. (defence of tabligh jamaats).

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#89 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2014 12:54

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We need to send you one year in 'paidal jaamat' akhii :p

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#90 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2014 12:58

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I would also be interested in this, therefore quoting your post.

In my experience nothing even comes close to it.

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