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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2014 21:57

Asalamualaikum to all,

I was directed here by brother Jinn since SunniForum doesn't seen to be heading anywhere anytime soon. I am a Sunni, Hanafi Muslim. Just to clarify, Alhamdulillah.

I was wondering if certain brothers can provide the sources to the following narrations that many Tableegis narrate over and over again, when I attend the Gasht programs every weekend.

Many of them are quite outlandish in my opinion and many of them are clueless when I ask them for references with some even getting a tad offended?

1) They narrate just by sitting down and being concerned with the Ummah will earn you a reward that's equivalent to 70 years worship?

2) Saying one salah in the path of Allah is multiplied by 7.5 million? They're very clear how it even topples the amount of reward you get for saying a salah in one of the 3 major Masjids.

3) Going out in the path of Allah 700 sins are forgiven, 700 deeds are put in your account and 700 positions elevated in Jannah?

4) Any du'a you make in the path of Allah is guaranteed to be accepted even more so if one was making du'a in Al-Haram or Al Nabwi?

Many of the Salafis state they're all fabrications and not even weak.

Jazak'Allah.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2014 22:42

Salaam brother and welcome to MuftiSays.

I'd love to answer your questions but I'm not associated with the tablighi Jamaat and haven't been in Jamaat since 1995. Even prior to that, I only ever went twice.

Mind you, it change d my life for the better Alhumdulillah. So I will always hold a special place for the brothers and their efforts.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2014 23:11

When I get back from work I'll try to posts something regarding these points إن شاء الله...

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2014 23:48

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Jazak'Allah for your response, akhi.

Same here, I've not gone for ages and to be honest, I don't think it's for me.

Insh'Allah, Allah may take me some day.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2014 23:49

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I look forward to it, akhi. However, let me clear, I'm looking for references as many Tableegis confirm it's all from Hadith. My local Imam of the same Masjid where Gasht takes place has mentioned they could be from Fazail-e-Mal.

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 00:31

Have a listen to these and see if it answers some of your questions, although those posed directly may not be in the lecture. But you will het a better insight inshaAllah.

www.muftisays.com/forums/76-the-true-salaf-as-saliheen/63...

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 03:20

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It's common that some brothers say things like this. A simple way to ascertain what's correct and what's not is to ask for specific references and see what Ulama have said about them. If they can't be given and checked, one should refrain from mentioning them out of caution. At the same time, if one who hears things like this without references, he should also practice caution in coming to conclusions about such sayings. Because if it's unacceptable and you confirm it, you'll be mistaken and if it's acceptable and you reject it, you'll also be mistaken (both being bad for your Iman). Brothers (especially non Ulama) who are involved in the work of Da'wah and Tabligh have a set syllabus which they're not supposed to steer away from. If they didn't hear it from an Alim or they don't have a reference for it, saying such things amongst the people should be avoided. As for your points:

1) I sent an email on this point to a Mufti who specializes in research, I'm just waiting to hear back from him. Another Mufti I spoke to said there's a few narrations similar to that which mention the rewards are from 60 - 80 years of ibadah.

2) Not only Salah but just being in the Path of Allah (even for a short while) is better than Ibadah on laylatul Qadr, in front of the Hajr Aswad, as mentioned in the Riwayah of Ibn Hibban with an authentic chain. And from the Hadith in Tirmidhi where Abdullah bin Rawaha رضي الله عنه delayed going out in the path of Allah so that he could make Salatul Jumu'ah behind Rasulullah . So Rasulullah told him: Even if you spend whatever is in the world, you will not be able to achieve the reward of those who left in the morning.

Another Hadith in Tirmidhi states: ...indeed standing of anyone from amongst you in the path of Allah for a short while is more virtuous than his offering Salah for seventy years in his home. Do you not want that Allah should forgive you and send you to Paradise?

3) I don't know about that specific number, so can't confirm or reject but the Qur'an and Hadith are pretty clear about the sins being forgiven for those who go out in the path of Allah. In Surah Al-Anfal and Surah As-Saff and from the long Hadith in Muslim from Amr ibnul 'As رضي الله عنه wherein Rasulullah said: Did you not know that (the acceptance of) Islam eradicates the sins committed before it and Hijrah (migration) eradicates the sins committed before it...

About the 700 positions being elevated in jannah. I don't know about those exact numbers but here's part of a Hadith related to that from Muslim:

...there is yet another thing that elevates the status of a man in Paradise by one hundred ranks - the distance between two ranks is like the distance between the heavens and the earth. Abu Sa'id رضي الله عنه asked: O Rasulullah ! what is that? He replied: Striving in the path of Allah, striving in the path of Allah.

4) In a narration from Musnad Ahmad and Majma'uz Zawa'id, Rasulullah (saw)

showed a person the house of a woman who went out in the path of Allah who left behind twelve goats and one weaving tool with which she used to weave cloth. One of her goats and her weaving tool got lost. the woman made du'a to Allah about her loss and Rasulullah (saw)

said: She got her goat and one additional similar to that, her weaving tool and one additional similar to that (from the treasures of Allah).

It's mentioned in the Hadith that after Rasulullah (saw)

told this to the person, he said: And there she is! Go and ask her if you wish. The Tuwafi man replied: No, I testify to what you say.

To end if off, as one Mufti told me, the numbering of rewards are there to gauge our understanding. The exact reality of it is known to Allah as illustrated in this narration from Hayatus Sahabah:

Mu'adh bin Jabal رضي الله عنه narrates that Rasulllah (saw)

said: "Glad tidings for the person who abundantly engages in the Dhikr of Allah while out in Jihad in the path of Allah because for every word he shall receive the rewards of seventy thousand good deeds. The rewards for each one of these good deeds shall be multiplied ten times together with the extra that (he will receive which) is with Allah." Someone asked, "O Rasulullah (saw)

! and (what about) spending (in the path of Allah)?" Rasulullah (saw)

replied, "Spending is (rewarded) likewise."

One of the narrators by the name of Abdur Rahman says that he then asked Mu'adh رضي الله عنه, "But the reward of spending (in the path of Allah) is multiplied seven hundred times." Mu'adh commented, "Your understanding is wanting. That (reward multiplied seven hundred times) is for people who spend (on others in the path of Allah) while they are themselves with their families (at home) and not out on expedition. However, when they march out themselves and then spend, Allah keeps aside for them such things from the treasures of His mercy that far transcends the knowledge of man and his ability to describe it. Such are the party of Allah and the party of Allah are always victorious."

Tabarani and a similar narration is quoted in Jam'ul Fawa'id

All Ahadith were taken from Maulana Yusuf Kandhlawi's رحمة الله عليه books, Muntakhab Ahadith and Hayatus Sahabah

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 06:05

From Fazail-e-Amaal: Notes of Hadith 3 (Zikr- the best of all deeds (by Allah))

It is the latter form of zikr that is implied in the hadith which states that meditation for one moment is better than doing worship for se-
venty years.

Hadhrat Suhail (Radhiyallaho anho) reported that Rasulullah (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) has said, "The reward of the zikr of Allah is seven hundred thousand times more than that for spending wealth in the path of Allah."

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 06:38

The following narrations amaze some:

1. Sahaba r.a migrated to the direction they were facing during final hajj.
2. Nooh a.s will be covered in stones & jibreel a.s will come. so, nooh a.s ask 'What is my task now' and jibreel a.s saying it is the same task of inviting people to Allah s.w.t..

There will be some more though...

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 06:58

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Are you the same hiso from sf, brother?

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 07:10

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 07:17

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In case anyone is wondering who is op, he was known as 'new Muslim', on SF and would most of the time engage in debates with the Rafidhi's.

Akhii it's good to see you here finally, hopefully the brothers can clear any doubts/misconfusions you may have, we have a few regular TJ brothers here alhumdulilah . So feel free to ask away and yeah welcome to MS

May Allah reward you

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 07:36

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Well, alrighty then. :-) Welcome to you and to the sf user, "New Muslim". Hope you all enjoy it here.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 08:08

Op when you get a chance akhi check these two links out (from brother Muadh Khan's site) for some additional side reading :

www.central-mosque.com/index.php/Civil/tableeghi-jamaat-i...

www.central-mosque.com/index.php/Practises/weak-ahadeeth-...

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 10th March 2014 08:44

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MashaAllah.

I have a question though, apart from the last narration, what does "In the path of Allah" refer to and in which context was it used.

Or is this an example of taking it literally?

The definition of "In The Path of Allah" needs to be cemented I think.

I've heard these same Hadith by two groups who both use it in their respective fields and both have major issues with each other. (or had issues)

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