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#46 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2014 09:05

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#47 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2014 11:12

Why not simply say that 'Tasawwuf is a pratice to gain excellence/perfection in every thing related to Din...or at least trying in that direction'......Every thing else should be treated as accessories or tools.Unfortunately many a times terminologies only serve to make simple things complicated,the means becomes the objectives,the tools become the goal in itself.Neither loud Dhikr nor lataif nor hadra was the real objective....the real objective was seeking closeness to Allah swt through purification of heart (Tazkia)...leading to success in Akhera.Who can object to it ?

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#48 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2014 12:57

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so the whole tariqa thing is just the means, i.e it is not tasawwuf/tazkiya, but tasawwuf/tazkiya is what a person is trying to achieve through the means?

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#49 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2014 13:19

@xs11ax....MashaAllah,you got it right.

When you go to a doctor,the objective is to gain or re-gain the lost health and get rid of diseases,the injections,capsules,tablets,syrups etc which the doctors prescribe are just the means or tools.If somebody mistakenly get the impression that taking the tablets is the objective in itself,he should be corrected.

Similarly when we board an airplane for Haj,our objective is haj not the travel or the means of the travel.If someone,after reaching Jedda refuse to disembark from the plane you will call him a fool.

The Jahr,dharb,lataif,Pase anfas,Habse dam etc are just the tools to make Dhikr sink in,not an objective in itself.The objective is purification of heart...nay...in reality to gain pleasure of Allah swt,TAZKIA is only a pre-requisite for it.If some lucky fellow can gain TAZKIA through recitation of Quran,nawafil,Durood,masnoon azkar...he does not need to get himself involved with the tools...but in practice most of us these days need those tools.These 'methods' per se does not even carry any reward...reward being in Dhikr not in any particular method of it.

In short,what is called 'tasawwuf' should be taken as a training course..no more !

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#50 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2014 14:12

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Masha Allah.. well said, Sir..

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#51 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2014 03:52

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4. In the presence of the Murshid, the mureed should direct all his attention towards him. This attention has to be to such a degree that the mureed should not perform even Salaat (in his presence) without his permission.

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Could it be made clear, why is this restriction? Isn't Salah a Fardh act?

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#52 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2014 07:45

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Nafl salaat

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#53 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2014 09:32

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Means Fardh salah cab be performed without sheikh's permission?

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#54 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2014 09:53

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Obviously.

If Shaikh prevents you from anything in shariah then he's not a Shaikh but a shaytan and your alarm bells should go off so run.

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#55 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2014 11:55

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Just bear in your mind that a Shaykh CAN ONLY interrupt in Mureed's Nafl ibadah (i.e. he prescribes type and amount of Nafl amaal according to the person's spiritual condition).

Regarding Fardh and Sunnah NO ONE has right to interrupt.

I read in a book of Mufti Taqi Usmani sahab that there's no need for a man to ask Shaykh for permission to perform dhikr which are prescribed by Rasulullaah (saw)

in Ahadith.

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#56 [Permalink] Posted on 11th June 2014 13:38

I have been reading the stuff posted in this thread now I think I'm kind of getting this whole sufi thing. I got to say, It's better than I thought.
A while back all I had done was gone on YouTube typed in something like "sufism" and tbh I found some videos a bit shocking, that was not true sufism, I guess.

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#57 [Permalink] Posted on 11th June 2014 13:45

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If you search "Islam" on youtube you will probably get bad results as well!

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#58 [Permalink] Posted on 11th June 2014 18:17

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Yes MashAllah that's correct. The nafil zikr prescribed by the mashaikh is just a means to create ihsan so that when a person is praying salah, reciting the quran and masnoon adhkar he is doing so with a present heart. If a person has achieved this state of ihsan then muraqabah etc is futile activity, and that person should focus on excessive nafil salah and Quran recitation.

The sahaba (may Allah be pleased with all of them) were such people that not even trade or commerce distracted them form the zikr of Allah SWT. Furthermore we do not find any circumstances, as far as I am aware, of the sahaba coming to the prophet SAW complaining that we find it difficult to worship Allah or concentrate when we do worship Allah. The company of the Prophet SAW purified their hearts so they did not face these problems.

Compare this to our situation - reciting a few pages of the Quran is a mammoth task! And when we do manage to break all records and sit for a prolonged period of time, the recitation is not worthy to be called recitation. Why? Because although our tongue was engaged in the act of remembrance our hearts and minds were not. Although we will inshAllah receive the reward for reciting every letter, the tazkiyah of Quran recitation and salah will not have a complete and effective impact. Hence we find it difficult leaving sins and immorality.

Therefore the mashaikh formulated the nafil adhkar (in line with the Quran and Sunnah) as tools to develop this much needed ihsan.

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#59 [Permalink] Posted on 11th June 2014 20:48

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Don't ask me where i heard this story coz i cant remember, anyways it goes like this:

This guy was mureed of some big time shaikh and he desperately wanted to see Allah Ta'aala in his dream. So he goes to his shaikh and expresses his wish. The shaikh advises him to go sleep that night without performing esha salaah. So the mureed is confused and thinks to himself that since its a huge sin to abandon the esha salaah, he will just perform (at least) the fardh rakaats and and then sleep. And that's what he does. Now when he falls asleep he sees Rasoolullah (salallahu alaihiwasallam) in his dream and Rasoolullah (salallahu alaihiwasallam) asks him why he left out his sunnah and didn't perform the sunnah rakaats for esha!

So the next morning he explains to his shaikh what transpired during the night. The shaikh laughed and told him that ''had you not performed your esha salaah, as i advised, Allah Ta'ala would have appeared in your dream to admonish you.''

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#60 [Permalink] Posted on 12th June 2014 00:27

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It's very surprising that how these stories reach different regions of the globe (without passport-visa!). I heard it from a friend in my college life.

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