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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2014 04:01

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Yes, he's excused and as it's mentioned therein, he's not sinful but taqlid of him (at that time) is not permissible.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2014 04:02

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You should read the chapter (17) because that same narration is mentioned as a dalil...

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2014 08:41

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Metaphors.. The ' wine' used here is Pure wine of Aakhirah as explained by Arif Billah Hazrat Maulana Hakeem Muhammed Akhtar sahab رحمة الله عليه This thread shall help إن شاء الله.. www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?108494-The-%93Mis...

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2014 10:29

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Jazakallahu khair.

But Brother Sulaiman84's posts imply that aforementioned poetic trope shouldn't be used by us as it has been stated by majzoob and we aren't allowed to make Taqleed of him?

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2014 10:39

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Taqleed of Majzoob is a different issue and use of Metaphors in poetry is something else..

Poets have their unique ways of expression.. as u can even see in the works of Ghalib.. Allamah Iqbal رحمة الله عليه etc..

so to understand them and their meaning we have to read commentaries like Ma'arif Mathnavi.. Kaleed e Mathnavi etc..

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2014 10:44

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Jazakallahu khair for clarifying.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2014 10:47

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tasawwuf, afaik, is basically heart purification and science to develop our ikhlas and ihsan, and purifying heart from negativity and sins. Prophet and sahabas didn't need title "Sufi", they are already living tasawwuf with their hearts and souls. It's like an Iraqi ascetic said, "tasawwuf was once reality without a name, now it's a name without reality"

Take it for example : Ali ibn Abi Taalib in the middle of war, was ready to kill an enemy with his sword. But when this enemy was cornered, suddenly he spat into Ali's face. At instant, Ali withdrew his sword and left, making the enemy astonished. "O Ali why don't you kill me?" And Ali replied, "when I cornered you and ready to kill you, I aimed to do that for the sake of Allah. But then you spat on me and raised an anger in me, I'm afraid my intention changed from killing you for the sake of Allah, to the sake of my nafs. So I just choose to cancel my action"

^^ That is really a high degree of ikhlas and mindfulness. And that is more or less, what tasawwuf's aim for

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2014 11:29

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They perfected nafs through suhbah. It would be rare to find any of today's Sufis having tamed the nafs to do what Hazrat Ali did above.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2014 14:44

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Allahu a'lam. But the wrongdoings of some Sufis doesn't mean tasawwuf becomes invalid because of that. Rarely now muslims can do their salaah in the most perfect khushoo, but it doesnt mean salaah no longer necessary. Rather the persons must change, not the deen.

"True imaan is about discrimination between haqq and batil. True mu'min must possess this discrimination. However, when we've spent our whole life in the company of people who lack discrimination, then our own discriminative faculty becomes weak, and that true friend may pass us by unrecognized."

(Maulana Rumi, quoted from "Fihi Ma Fihi")

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2014 17:01

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can you please summarise it for me.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 28th February 2014 20:52

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Bhai, I wont be able to do it justice. Insha'Allah, just take some time out to read the two chapters. Its not much.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 1st March 2014 02:34

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salaam

okay, i have skimmed through the chapters.

what i read was a defence and justification for the need of the tasawwuf of today (shaikh/mureed tasawwuf), and an explanation of why tasawwuf (as we recognise it today) was not needed in the era of the prophet (saw)

. it did not answer my question at all.

my question is very simple...

how was tasawwuf practiced in the era of the prophet (saw)

and sahabah (rd)?

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i do not have any ulterior motive or agenda for asking this question. i am only asking this question as i want to understand tasawwuf according to how it was practiced in the era of the prophet (saw)

all the way through to the present day. i want to understand how the current form of practicing tasawwuf is connected to the way tasawwuf was practiced by the sahabah (rd). i want to understand this as i am very confused about the present day method of practicing tasawwuf. most of my life i have been in and around practitioners of tasawwuf and for a number of years i was also bayt to a shaikh of tasawwuf. i used to explain to others how our tariqah used such and such a method as we practiced a certain chain of tasawwuf, and how our tariqah was connected to such and such sahabah (rd). but all i was doing was repeating what i heard from others without understanding what i was truly saying. so instead of starting from the middle to understand tasawwuf, i would like to start from the very beginning - hence my original question.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 1st March 2014 02:51

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Read from post 86 www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?101505-Dukaan-e-I...

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Here's how I understand this:

Let me ask you this: Were there any madaaris, khanqahs, books of fiqh, books of tafseer that that sahabah got together and studied from? Did they teach Bukhari and Muslim? Did they give out ijaazahs? The answer to all these questions is no. Any knowledge they got was directly form Rasulullah (s.a.w)

Then why do we have all of this now? Isn't it a bid'ah. Of course, not. All these things are waajib li ghayri (i.e. wajib not in and of themselves, but due to outside reasons). Due to the decline of academic knowledge, it became obligatory to develop these institutions and to codify the sciences in order to preserve the deen.

Its same with tasawwuf. There was no need for a shaykh during the tiem of the Sahaabah. The sahaabah would reach the state of ihsaan just from being in the prescence of Rasulullah (s.a.w). But after Rasulullah (s.a.w) passed away, reaching the state of ihsaan became harder and harder, until finally it became necessary to develop the practice of tasawwuf. To reach the state of ihsaan now, you ideally need to be in the company of a shaykh who has already achieved it, just as the sahaabah had suhbah with Rasulullah. Since we don't have Rasulullah (s.a.w) with us, we need to do some mujahadaat and exercises to reach that level of ihsaan and taqwa.

Someone please correct me if im wrong. I have only skimmed through those chapters, have yet to read them fully.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 1st March 2014 03:02

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Shaykh, Im getting the "No Thread Specified" message. Check link.

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