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#76 [Permalink] Posted on 10th May 2014 13:17

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We'll have to agree or disagree, akhi.

When you describe or pass an opinion on the performance of the dismissal of a cricket player that's natural and there is no real bad blood behind the comment either at least in most cases. If you begin insulting the player flat out then yes, I contest that falls on the ground of gheebah. I've watched live India vs Pakistan cricket matches with Ulema and I think they have a different understanding of the narration otherwise they'd wrap their tongue in a knot.

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#77 [Permalink] Posted on 10th May 2014 13:26

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No problem brother.

However, put those ulama and their words next to this Hadith.

Abu Hurairah (radiallahu anh) reported: The Prophet (salallahu alayhi wa sallam) said, "He who believes in Allah and the Last Day must either speak good or remain silent.''
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I'm more guilty of it then all of them put together.

Passing comments is one thing, dissing the player is another.

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#78 [Permalink] Posted on 10th May 2014 13:35

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Neither.

I asked you too because she highlights there is a subtle difference between backbiting and listening to others with the intent to help them. Although, I was the one doing the yapping and not the listening, I was not:

a) Insulting or describing anything about particularly, but only what he had done
b) I had no intent to say anything remotely negative about him as a person

I am not saying outright gheebah cam only be committed conditionally based on one's intention, but when you're not badmouthing anyone and nor was there poison/envy in your heart for that person then it's not gheebah. This is my understanding and what my the Ulema I entrust have relayed to me.

You've asked 2 reputable Mufti and they've confirmed otherwise, fair enough. Let's say we leave it at that.

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#79 [Permalink] Posted on 10th May 2014 13:40

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That's ALL it is brother. A few examples to when a player gets out cheaply.

- What the hell?
- You got to be kidding me?
- My dad can play a better shot than that?
- Was he half asleep when he played that shot?
- He shouldn't be in the team
- His temperament is poor

All the above in Punjabi.

I remember when in the WC 2007 Final when India were playing Pakistan and Afridi came in where Pakistan were tottering and he played a daft shot first ball to Irfan Pathan and was out.

ROFL, there was lots of teri pendi...... like comments. I think that's clear-cut gheebah!

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#80 [Permalink] Posted on 10th May 2014 13:53

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Don't forget the classic comments of "he's taken bribery"

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#81 [Permalink] Posted on 10th May 2014 15:44

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Exactly, lol.

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#82 [Permalink] Posted on 10th May 2014 16:10

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disagree?

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#83 [Permalink] Posted on 10th May 2014 16:11

dear maria, see post no. 63 . thats the question

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#84 [Permalink] Posted on 11th May 2014 00:54

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I did :P don't take it to heart :)

I thought Respected Mufti A.S. Desai hasn't said anything about ghiba of a cricket player yet. But I hope he'll say the same.

Anyway, I've changed it to "Optimistic" .

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#85 [Permalink] Posted on 11th May 2014 06:37

@maria.. Good Joke!

p.s. check mail.

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#86 [Permalink] Posted on 11th May 2014 11:16

My Q:

Criticizing the performance of a cricket player would be ghibah or not?

A:

ASSALAMU ALAIKUM

10 Rajab 1435 (10 May 2014)

Maria

Your e-mail dated 9 May 2014 refers.

Criticizing any haraam act is Waajib. It is within the scope of Amr Bil Ma'roof Nahy Anil Munkar (Commanding virtue and prohibiting vice). Cricket and all kuffaar sports are haraam. Thus, criticizing it is like criticizing prostitution, indulgence in liquor, gambling, etc.

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Mujlisul Ulama of S.A.

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#87 [Permalink] Posted on 11th May 2014 11:33

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Now you have a bigger dilemma!

Your question was meant to be about the criticism of a cricket player and not about the sport.

This means that if anyone does anything haram, they need to be criticised, but that would/can fall under gheebah!

Criticising an act is good, but the individual?

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#88 [Permalink] Posted on 11th May 2014 12:03

From what I understood, Respected Mufti meant cricket is a haram act so we shouldn't discuss or watch it in the first place, rather we should criticize it.

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This means that if anyone does anything haram, they need to be criticised, but that would/can fall under gheebah!
Criticising an act is good, but the individual?

He doesn't mean that we should criticize the individual, as he never said that.

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#89 [Permalink] Posted on 11th May 2014 13:15

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Just compare it with gambling.

so If I ask you:
''Brother, criticizing the performance of gamblers would be ghiba or not?''

You'll answer differently. Thats what Mufti did as he considers playing
Cricket is haram.

Also, when people talk about the performance of cricket player, they
criticize it in a manner that why players are not playing well. Thats why Mufti said that criticize it like we criticize gambling & prostitution etc.

Got it?

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#90 [Permalink] Posted on 11th May 2014 13:36

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Jazakallah, yes I get it and got it the first time round.

Try it this way:

Mufti Saab is saying cricket is haram, what is his Daleel for it? For when I say smoking is Haram, I get cornered and get told that we can't make it haram due to valid fiqhi reasons (so I don't argue that). But I would still say smoking is closer to haram, but I wouldn't call playing cricket as haram!

The question was meant to be, is criticizing a cricketer gheebah? (regardless of if the sport is permitted or not)

The truth is when people criticize a cricket player or any sportsman, 99% of the time they accuse him of taking bribery, and the unfortunate thing is that eventually the truth does come out and the players are found guilty of it.

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