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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 17:46

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Well actually i uncomfortable with these two feelings. I feel wrong firstly and formost. At the same time, how im going to break free while i was raised to it. Everyone around me like this. Also media plays an amazing role. I mean i want to end these feelings i feel but at the same time, how im suppose to do it?

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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 17:53

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What feelings? Please explain how you feel?

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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 18:06

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Well how it feels... intresting question. actually i dont know how to explain it but i can only say one think, you think that your country is better than any country in the world. When someone tries to change some rules in your country, you get frustated and get upset at them and you hate them. ( Plz dont understand me wrong) I mean to you those rules as perfect and make sense. When someone removes national thing like "ant ( its like a national promise" you feel that they are ripping your heart out.

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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 18:15

The oath.

Turkish:
T�rk�m, doğruyum, �alışkanım. Yasam, k��klerimi korumak, b�y�klerimi saymak, yurdumu, milletimi �z�mden �ok sevmektir. �lk�m y�kselmek, ileri gitmektir. Varlığım T�rk varlığına armağan olsun.
Ey bu g�n�m�z� sağlayan, Ulu Atat�rk; a�tığın yolda, kurduğun �lk�de, g�sterdiğin ama�ta hi� durmadan y�r�yeceğime ant i�erim.
Ne mutlu T�rk�m diyene.

English:
I am Turkish, honest and hardworking. My principle is to protect the younger to respect the elder, to love my homeland and my nation more than myself. My ideal is to rise, to progress. My existence shall be dedicated to the Turkish existence.
Oh Great Atat�rk, who had created our life of today; on the path that you have paved, in the country that you established, I swear to walk incessantly with the purposes that you have set.
How happy is the one who says "I am Turkish."

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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 18:17

This oath is repeated every single day at school. You can imagine how it penetrates young minds and hearts.

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 18:23

Alhamdulillah, I wasn't aware but it seems the student's pledge was abolished this year! That said, between 1972 and 2013 many young minds were affected.

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On 8th of September, 2013, the practice of reciting Student Oath is abolished with the notice in the Official Register.

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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 18:24

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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 18:26

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OK I understand the issue know better. Lets get to the basics, first.

You are a Turk woman and I am Pakistani man, we have nothing in common except Islam. If it wasn't because of Islam we have no common grounds, no frame of reference and nothing to discuss.

You think your country is great and I think my country is great but at the end of the day we have different cultures, different lineage, different language and absolutely nothing to discuss and talk about.

:p You don't eat our food and I don't eat your food :p

Are we clear so far? :)

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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 18:30

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Yeah go ahead :)

Well dear sister acacia, to many Turks like im, its a big thing for us. Its like ripping our hearts out. Its like you take something which is so beloved to you. You know what i mean? Also for removing the T.C same thing.

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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 18:42

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OK, once you understand our connection lets proceed further.

My father was born in 1924 and fought in 2nd world war. The Ottoman Khilafah was destoryed 2 years before his Birth but he told us that everyone in India contributed heavily towards the Ottomans, men did their best and women donated their Jewellary for the Turks.

We (Indians) didn't do it for anyone but the Turks despite the fact that we were under British Slavery ourselves. When I went to Turkey some of the Mashaykh associated with Shaykh Sayyid Muhammad Efendi told me that they have not forgotten what the Indians did for the Turks to this day.

When I converse with you and Sister Acacia, it fills me with pride that I have the honour of talking to Sisters with Ottoman heritage, the grand-daughters of those who gave strength, diginity and respect to the Muslim Ummah. I am speaking to the grand-daughters of Suleiman Kanuni!

Now remove Islam and whom am I talking to? A bunch of normal ordinary Mediterranean women? Like Greece, Macedonia, Cyprus?

When you had Islam, Allah (SWT) raised you to the heights of ruling the world
When you let go of Islam, your people are selling döner kebap in the streets of Europe!

Tell me what have you achieved by abandoning your Islam? Are you better OR worse then what you were then your great-grand fathers? Why would my people even talk about you or why should my daughter and my sister donate their jewellary to you (despite being poor)...What have you got to give me besides döner kebap?

My grand-mother didn't sell her Jewellary for Sudanese, Moroccons, Algerians, Libyans, Arabs but for YOU and YOUR PEOPLE...why should it be done now if there is no Islam?

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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 18:44

In a system where Islam is relegated to dusty corners, the oath sowed nationalistic pride (among other things) in the hearts of young impressionable hearts and minds!

You'll note that some of the wording is especially problematic for a country with a huge Muslim majority. Alhamdulillah, it has been abolished.

For example, compare these especially problematic words:

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...to love my homeland and my nation more than myself. My ideal is to rise, to progress. My existence shall be dedicated to the Turkish existence.
Oh Great Atat�rk, who had created our life of today; on the path that you have paved, in the country that you established, I swear to walk incessantly with the purposes that you have set.
How happy is the one who says "I am Turkish."[/quote]

With the lines from this beautiful du'aa insha'Allah:
O Allah, grant me your love.
Grant me that I love those who you love.
Grant me that I may do the deeds that win your love.
Make your love dearer to me than the love of myself, my family, and my wealth.

The following is taken from e-mail communications on the issue of the oath:
[quote]If I had to take a pledge, I would much rather remind myself of the covenant I've gone against, and would much rather pledge myself to Allah Ta'aala and Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wa sallem) and say:
...Allah Ta'aala'yı, Peygamberimizi (sallallahu alayhi wa sallem), İslam'ı �z�mden �ok sevmektir.
�lk�m, Allah Ta'aala'ya iman etmek, Allah Ta'aala'ya ve Peygamber efendimize (sallallahu alayhi wa sallem) itaat ve ıttıbaa etmek, Peygamber efendimizin (sallallahu alayhi wa sallem) her halini ve yaptığı herşeyi benimseyip derincesine sevmek, ve Peygamber efendimize (sallallahu alayhi wa sallem) olan muhabbetten ona g�n�lden bağlanıp onun izinden ilerlemek.
Ey y�ce Allahım (c.c.)! G�nahlarımı affet, a�tığın yoldan, g�sterdiğin hedefeden, verdiğim s�zden ayrıldığım i�in pişmanım. Niyet ettim Senin rızan i�in a�tığın yolda, g�sterdiğin hedefe durmadan y�r�yeceğime; Allahım (c.c.) bana takva nasib eyle. Varlığım Peygamber efendimizin (sallallahu alayhi wa sallem) yolunda, �mmetimize, Senin rızan i�in armağan olsun!
Elhamd�lillah, ne mutlu M�sl�manım diyene !

Translation:
...to love Allah Ta'aala, our Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallem) and Islam more than myself.
My ideal is to have iman in Allah Ta'aala and to have itaat and ittiba to Allah Ta'aala and our Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallem), to love dearly everything Rasulullah (salalllahu alayhi wa sallem) has done and to have such muhabba with our Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallem) that we are tied to him and follow in his footsteps.
O Allah Ta'aala! Forgive my sins, I am full of regret for having gone against my promises, strayed from the path You've opened up for me, strayed from the aim You've shown me. For Your pleasure, I make niyyah to walk steadfast on the path You've opened for me, towards the goal You've shown me; O Allah, grant me takwa. For Your pleasure, I sacrifice my being on the path of our Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallem), for our ummah.
Alhamdulillah, how happy is the one who says "I am Muslim"!

Sister AishaZaynap, try to keep the du'aa or ^ words in your mind instead insha'Allah.

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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 18:52

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Well plz dont understand me wrong. We wanted to copy Europe cos they has power in that time. As otomans were not strong anymore. It became Europes puppet. Our allies sold us. We were the Khalifa at that time. They our muslim allies sold us. I believe that its the main reason why Ataturk wanted to place the idea of secularism in our hearts. Well it didnt matter for us at that time if we had islam or not. Cos they arent muslim but stronger than us. So they thought if we copy them we would become like them. Do you understand what i mean

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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 18:55

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Yes you copied Europeans, abandoned your Islam and you are now selling döner kebap when once you ruled these people and they respected you, feared you and Allah (SWT) gave you houour over them!

In Europe, Turks are now only famous for döner kebap? Is that what you want to known as a bunch of döner kebap makers?

What am I asking you is to consider the results:

Islam gave you honour
Secularism gave you döner kebap shops!

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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 18:57

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Dear respected sister, you are right it might be weird to say this but how im going to keep it in my mind while my hearts yearns for nationalism :( ( plz dont understan me wrong )

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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 19:03

Getting to know history is one thing and I'll leave that to brother Muadh_Khan to deal with (but please brother, please be kind and courteous... sometimes words come across as especially harsh and hurtful).

Meanwhile, there is no point in waiting to get a better understanding of history. Insha'Allah do what anyone with OCD should do whenever they get unwanted thoughts that make them uncomfortable:

(1) make du'aa to Allah Ta'aala;
(2) ask for forgiveness often;
(3) make abundant dhikr of Allah Ta'aala; and
(4) send abundant salawaat on Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wa sallem).

There is more you can do insha'Allah take a look at this and this.

Wasaawis come in many different shapes and sizes and they aren't always just from shayateen... evil people, misguided people, and our own nafs can also send us cues that make us feel uncomfortable yet we still do what we do.

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