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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd December 2013 12:14
As salamun alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu everyone

Im a new member to this website and i have a question about islamic history. I love islamic history and i have red a article which basiclly said that Aisha (RA) didnt accept the caliph of Ali (RA). Is this true? If its not then can plz post articles related to this topic.

JazakAllahu Khair
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd December 2013 12:25
Wa 'alaykumus salaam ww Sister AishaZanap and welcome.

I think you mean the Battle of Jamal. Here is a Q/A from askimam


Question
Did Hazrat Ayesha (RA) fight against Hazrat Ali (RA)? What was the fight about?

Answer

The war in reference is known as the war of the Camels which was ignited by the mischief and evil intentions of the Kuffaar. After the war, Hadhrat Ali (Radhiallaahu Anhu) expressed deep respect for Hadhrat Aaisha (Radhiallaahu Anha) and ensured her safe return to Madinah Munawwarah.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd December 2013 12:29
The following question is regarding Muawiyah and Ali (Radhiyallaahu 'anhummaa) as well as to the Battle of Jamal and also how the Sahabah differed yet remained concerned for each other and showed utmost respect. Source


Question
Was there a conflict between Aisha and Ali, why?

Answer

Lofty examples of Sahabahs' (Radiallahu anhum) dissent The Battle of Jamal was such a severe battle that according to Tareekh-al- Khamees, twenty thousand men were killed. Just before the commencement of hostilities, Sayyidina Ali (Radiallahu anhu) stepped in front of his soldiers and called Sayyidina Zubayr (Radiallahu anhu) from the opposing ranks. He too stepped forward. They embraced each other and wept.

Then Ali (Radiallahu anhu) asked: "What is that thing that induced you to come to this place to engage me in battle?" Zubayr (Radiallahu anhu) replied: "Revenge for the blood of Sayyidina Uthman (Radiallahu anhu) For a time they continued the conversation. This was the behaviour of the two opponents, ready with drawn swords to fight it out to the end. (Kitabul-Imaammati - wal - Siyaasah)

Thereafter the battle started. Sayyidina Ali (Radiallahu anhu) was victorious and many of the opposing soldiers were taken as prisoners-of-war. Many of Ali's (Radiallahu anhu) men insisted that the prisoners should be killed, but he did not agree with their views. On the contrary, he accepted oaths of allegiance from them and pardoned them. He declared their goods to he spoils of war but refused that they be made captives of war. His men argued that as their goods and possessions were declared spoils of war, their persons too should be captives.

Initially Ali (Radiallahu anhu) refused but when his men insisted, he said:

"Tell me, who of you is prepared to take as his share your mother, Aysha (Radiallahu anha), and make her your slave maid?"

They exclaimed: "Nastaghfirullah! we seek pardon from Allah from such a thing."

Then Ali (Radiallahu anhu) said: "And I also seek Allah's pardon from such a thing. " Now I ask you, do we also protect the honour and respect of our opponents like that? Forget about taking up the sword and fighting. That is something else. In cases of minor differences of opinion are we worried about not attaching the honour and dignity of those who dispute with us as these people did even in battle?

Thereafter Sayyidina Ali (Radiallahu anhu) saw the body of Muhammed bin Talha (Radiallahu anhu) laying. He exclaimed: "May Allah have mercy upon you. You were indeed a very devout person, staying awake at night in prayer, fasting continuously even at the times of greatest heat." During the battle it so happened that the camel of Sayyidah Aysha (Radiallahu anha) was wounded, and fell. Ali (Radiallahu anhu) said: "See whether the mother of the faithful has been wounded." (Tabari)

Sayyidah Aysha's (Radiallahu anha) brother Muhammad bin Abu Bakr (Radiallahu anhu), fighting on Ali's (Radiallahu anhu) side, promptly went forward to inquire: "Have you been injured?" Then Sayyidina Ali (Radiallahu anhu) himself came to the howdah upon the camel and said: "Dear mother, have you suffered any injury? May Allah pardon your fault." She replied: "May Allah forgive your fault also." (Tabari)

This was how the Sahabah (Radiallahu anhum) dealt with an opponent! This was honour and respect for your adversary! What is our behaviour when we overcome an enemy? When we overcome any rival, is there anything of his life, wealth and honour to which we show any consideration?

The battle between Sayyidina Muawiya (Radiallahu anhu) and Sayyidina Ali (Radiallahu anhu) is quite well-known. During the time when he was ruling Syria it happened that a person called Ibn Khaybari, seeing his wife was committing adultery, could not bear it and killed her. The case came before Muawiya (Radiallahu anhu). He could not reach a judgement, because for the murder of his wife, the killer's death is demanded in retaliation. However, the facts of the case were such that this was no ordinary murder and the facts could not be disregarded. Therefore he wrote a letter to Sayyidina Abu Moosa Ash-ary (Radiallabu anbu) asking him to consult with Sayyidina Ali (Radiallahu anhu) as regards the correct judgement. (Muata Imam Maalik).

Now I ask you: Do we ever think of admitting our ignorance before our political adversary? Do we ever think of asking our opponent about any mas'aail about which there is any dispute? No, with us, not a single word of our opponent is acceptable. Sometimes, not even the truth.

When Sayyidina Ali (Radiallahu anhu) became Khalifa he took the oath of allegiance from the Muhajireen and Ansaar. A group of people did not swear allegiance, but he did not force them. Some people asked his opinion about those people. He said: "There people have refused to side with the truth, but have also refused to side with falsehood." (Khamees).

How magnanimous of him! But today of anyone should prefer to remain neutral, what do we think of him? What we think of him and the attacks on him in the newspapers will be only to obvious. Need I go into detail?

Sayyidina Imam Hasan (Radiallahu anhu) was poisoned. When he was near to death they asked him: "Do you know who poisoned you?" He replied: "By Allah, I will never disclose, who gave me poison to drink. If it is that person whom I think it is, then Allah's retaliation is sufficient. And if it is not him, then I do not want that an innocent person should be killed. " (Khamees)

What would we have done? What do we do with that person with whom we have just a slight difference of opinion? With us he must be accused of being the cause of every affliction we suffer. It must be his evil plan. Even if someone else should cause us any harm, then too in spite of knowing the truth, we will lay it at our opponents doorstep. Often in our heart of hearts we know him to be innocent, but such is the zeal for revenge that we will still blame him. Let us go back to the Battle of Jamal. See how severe is the opposition between Sayyidina Ali (Radiallahu anhu) and Sayyidah Aysha (Radiallahu anha). Actually the battle was between the two of them. Yet, when Imam Hasan (Radiallanu anhu), the son of Ali (Radiallahu anhu), was overcome after the poisoning, he sent his brother Hussain to Sayyidah Aysha (Radiallahu anha) with the request to be allowed to be buried near his grand-father, Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) in her house. In spite of the fighting and all that went with it, Sayyidah Aysha (Radiallahu anha) granted this request.

Later Sayyidina Hasan (Radiallahu anhu) told his brother Hussain (Radiallahu anhu): "Maybe she gave permission during the time while I am still alive out of shyness and shame and through consideration for my person. Seek permission from her once again after my death. If she gives permission gladly, then bury me there, otherwise bury me in the public graveyard of Madina." On the demise of Sayyidina Hasan (Radiallahu anhu), Hussain (Radiallahu anhu) again sought permission and Sayyidah Aysha (Radiallahu anha) replied: "Yes indeed, and with great honour!" Such then was the behaviour of the Muslim predecessors with those with whom they differed. Now see also what happened thereafter.

The leaders of the Ummayyah clan would not allow the burial to take place there. They objected saying that as Sayyidina Uthman (Radiallahu anhu) had been refused burial there by his opponents, they would not allow Sayyidina Hasan (Radiallahu anhu) to be buried there. In spite of that, when the body was brought into the Mosque for funeral prayers, Sayyidina Hussain (Radiallahu anhu) appointed the governor of Madina Saeed bin Al-Aasi (of the Umayyad clan) to lead the funeral prayers, saying this was the Sunnat. (Khamees)

Al-Eti'daal By Sheikh Muhammad Zakariyya
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd December 2013 12:30
ASSALAMUALAYKUM sister,
Welcome to MuftiSays, we encourage posting of information to be discussed, rather then posting of questions.

As a new member pease take into consideration posting rules and regulations in following link. جزاك الله خيرا

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd December 2013 12:48
If you genuinely want to educate yourself on Shias then you don't need anything more than these two websites, it will answer all your questions


youpuncturedtheark.wordpress.com/

gift2shias.com/

If you want to listen to lectures about them, then check out Sheikh Mumtazul Haqqs videos about them on YouTube.

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd December 2013 12:57

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Sister, your question has a saliant presumption  and Khala Ummi Talib's responses don’t answer this anomaly. In my humble view this presumption needs to be quashed.

  1. Factually and historically, Sayyida Aisha (RA) NEVER OBJCTED to the caliphate of Sayyidina Ali (RA) at the time (of Sayyidina Ali (RA)) at assuming caliphate. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise at all from either Shia or Sunni sources.

Having established this fact, now read Khala Ummi Talib's summary about the battle (iteself) or a very detailed response here

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd December 2013 13:04
Brother Jinn: Forgive me but im not knowledgable as u. Also i cant know what i red was a shia source. i was just wondering if it was true or not?

Sister ummi taalib: thank you very for the posts :) Surely it has cleared many doubts in my mind :)

Sister Taalibah: im so sorry. Thank you for warning me. İ couldnt post the article because it was in Turkish. Again im so sorry
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd December 2013 13:11
Brother Muadh_Khan: i just red this in a turkish history book. i was just wondering if it was right or wrong? i got my answer now.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd December 2013 13:26
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Actually Sister, now that its been pointed out I realise I didn't really answer your question...sorry, I should've read it properly. I have read different history books to understand the events of the khilafat of Uthman and Ali (Radhiyallaahu 'anhumaa) and I also have not read anywhere that Aisha (Radhiyallaahu 'anhaa) had objections to 'Ali's (Radhiyallaahu 'anhu) khilafah. Khayr, your question has been answered and I hope the Q/A helped anyway.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd December 2013 13:57
Sister ummi taalib: it is intresting to hear that you havent seen this in any history books. İ saw this in many turkish books i have red. They teached us like this also. Anyway thank you very much for your posts. it helped alot :)
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd December 2013 14:10

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Masha'Allah, when that is clarified lets move to the actual issue, itself.

This is one of the most Authentic Accounts between the two, ponder over the wordings and the exchange, I am going to break the conversation into three easy chunks:


وروىابن حبان أن عائشة – رضي الله عنها – كتبت إلى أبى موسى الأشعري – والى علىّ علىالكوفة-: فإنه قد كان من قتل عثمان ما قد علمت، وقد خرجت مصلحة بين الناس


Ibn Habban narrated in al-Thiqat that Sayyida ‘Aisha (RA) wrote to Sayyidina Abu Musa al-Ash’ari (RA) and to Sayyidina ‘Ali (RA) in al-Kufa: “You have witnessed the events leading to the murder of ‘Uthman and I have decided to go and fix the matters between the people…”
 

وقال:أي أُمه، ما أشخصك وما أقدمك هذه البلدة؟ قالت: أي بنى، إصلاح بين الناس



Sayyidina ‘Ali (RA) then sent al-Qa’qa’ ibn ‘Amr al-Tamimi (RA) to Sayyida ‘Aisha (RA) and he said: “O mother, what brings you to these lands?” she said: “my son I have come to settle matters between the people.”

And after the war of al-Jamal Sayyidina ‘Ali (RA) told Sayyida ‘Aisha (RA):
 

فقاللها: غفر الله لك. قالت: ولك، ما أردت إلا الإصلاح



“May Allah forgive you” she (RA) said: “And you, I only wished to fix the affairs.”


  1. Two people calling each other Mother and son
  2. Making dua for each other even after the battle

Does it sound like a nasty battle like the Shias portray? No, sounds more like a mis-understanding to me!

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd December 2013 14:54
Brother Muadh_Khan: ooo thank you so much. im shocked that shia views in our history book :( Thank you very much again. This has helped me alot. İt cleared many doubts from my mind.
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