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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 21st October 2013 16:21

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Our Ulamah attended the 1926 Makkah Conference and REFUSED to do Bayah at the hands of Ibn Saud for him to become Khalifa. To this day the Saudi Government is no Caliphate and the King is no Caliph. Saudi Government is no different to Pakistani, Indonesian or Nigerian Government, its just another state with its policies.

You don't become Kaafir by pointing out the mistakes of Pakistani Government (see here) so why is there a problem with pointing out the errors of Saudi Government?

  1. Didn't the Saudi Government aid and assist the Non-Muslims in killing Iraqees?
  2. Is the life of an Iraqi Muslim cheaper (or less worth) then an Afghani Muslim?
  3. And if the issue is Afghanistan then the Saudi Government is equally complicit in helping Americans (just like Pakistanees)? What's the difference in Fiqh???

 

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 21st October 2013 16:25
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Subhaana Allah....Great points
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 21st October 2013 16:39
I heard that Muhammed ibn Wahhab RA was a Hanbali scholar; Masha Allah.
Anyhow, Col Sahib's posts were informative.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 21st October 2013 16:46

By the way if you want to expose the duplicity of Barelwees on the Internet, watch their refutation of Saudees (Wahabees in their terms) and then their praise of Jordanian and Moroccan Government.

The Jordanian Government was directly complicit and revolted against the Ottoman empire, not ONE MUREED of Shaykh Nuh Ha Mim Keller (RA) would ever say anything about that whatsoever but they will spend hours exposing Wahabees and try to explain the Ahadeeth about Najd.

Read the history of Jordanian Royal family and how they got their country and from whom!

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 21st October 2013 17:09
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I agree with most of what you are saying regarding the silence of the 'Ulama in condemning the Saud government openly and publicly without any fear. However, what I do not understand (and I apologise if it is crystal clear and I am slow in understanding) is why would giants of the stature of Mawlana Nu'mani, Qari Tayyib, 'Allamah Nadwi, etc "praise" and "bridge the divide" between Deobandi 'Ulama and Sh. Ibn 'Abdil Wahhab - the man, not his latter day followers? Or am I understanding the situation incorrectly? Also, this is concerning the earlier 'Ulama of Deoband and not the current batch and their view concerning Sh. Ibn 'Abdil Wahhab.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 21st October 2013 17:29

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Sorry I did go off the subject and started bringing Saudi Government into it, I apologise.

People have really abused and written a lot of bad things about Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab (RA) and many Ulamah have done this.

What Shaykh (Maulana) Manzoor Naumani (RA) and our other Akabir have done is tried to redress the balance and point out that many of these “reported incidents” are nothing but fabrications and slanders and that the state of current Saudia is good (Islamically), they constantly mention people making Salah and generally following Sunnah and these outward signs are good (Masha’Allah). What our Akabir have not addressed are the refutations by his own brother Shaykh Sulemain Ibn Abdul-Wahab (RA) and Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab (RA)’s refutation of entire town (I can’t recall the exact town name but I believe Huraymila). There is no doubt that he was extreme is his views of Takfeer and condemnation, hence in my opinion the Fatwa of Shaykh (Mufti) Rasheed Ahmed Gangohi (RA) is spot on.

The natural progression of Shaykh Mohammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab (RA) is what we say today and the Saudi regime used his support (initially) and today some of the Scholars are in their pockets.

Shaykh Mohammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab (RA) provided legitimacy to the Al-Saud family and the relationship continues to this day. Maybe he (RA) wouldn’t have approved of what the regime does today but the two religious and governmental controls in Saudia are intertwined.

Our Akabir have looked at the religious aspect but either not realised the (Governmental) affiliation or deliberately sidestepped it.

Saudi regime uses “Scholars” and the “Holy places of Islam” to great political effect.

  1. Did Shaykh Mohammad Ibn Abdul-Wahab (RA) realise the monster he was creating? I don't know
  2. Did our Akabir realise the monster they were backing in 1926? Partially they did but refusing to make Bayah and accept Al-Saud (the robber) as the Khaleefa

In my mind Deobndees should trust their Academia and chart a way separate to both Ahl-e-Hadeeth and Barelwees and clearly outline their position.

 

 

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 7th May 2015 15:17
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 7th May 2015 15:42

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Masha’Allah but the team should also write the opinion of Deobandi Akabir on:

  1. Shaykh Hamza Yusuf (HA) 
  2. Shaykh Abdallah bin Mahfudh ibn Bayyah (HA)
  3. Shaykh Habib Ali Zain al-`Abideen al-Jifri (HA)
  4. Shaykh Yusuf Qaradawi (HA)

And a whole host of fans and Scholars ascribing to the group above.

In a fair, just and balanced world you may find that Shaykh Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (RA) was an Angel compared to some of the names above.

And of course once can never expect anything about the Jordanians Royal family who are equally (or may be worse than the Saudees

 

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