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#76 [Permalink] Posted on 28th December 2013 00:00
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Sheikh desai sahib is an alim of haqq and believes that he is making the right judgement. You don't have to agree or any one else but he feels that he is speaking the haqq. As for abdulwahhab, I was just asking about him and not sheikh Tariq jameel or the sheikhs. I don't know why is it that when I ask a question, you bring sheikh desai into the equation.
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#77 [Permalink] Posted on 28th December 2013 00:04
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It's just an example.

Let's not drift away please.

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#78 [Permalink] Posted on 28th December 2013 00:05
We've been here before too many times, I think we are all aware of the following forum rule. We are not here to consider views of respected ulamah regardless of our personal opnions, or regardless of who they may be.

Please maintain respect for each other and Ulamaa (if topic is about a scholar) by avoiding accusations and slanderous comments. Also remember that in order for criticism to be constructive, it must be channeled in the right direction. If there is any doubt in a matter, it is better to ask, clarify or to remain silent rather than to speak ill of another person.
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#79 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 08:35
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#80 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 11:19

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I had the (dubious) pleasure of reading the praise of (Maulana) Asghar Imam Mahdi towards Saudi regime. It reminded me of this verse of the Qur’aan:

تَشۡتَرُواْ بِـَٔايَـٰتِى ثَمَنً۬ا قَلِيلاً۬

[2:41] and part not with My revelations for a trifling price

Respected Sir, you claim that Saudi Government is established upon Qur'aan and the Sunnah?

All of the Ulamah of Saudia who are not Government employees or loyal to the throne differ with you! 56 of these Ulamah have clearly and publicly issued a ruling in this regard and we are familiar with it that Al-Saud has committed a reprehensible crime by removing the Islam friendly regime and replacing it with a Pro-Israel Anti-Islamic Government. The statements of well known Salafi Ulamah of Egypt such as Shaykh Hassan (HA), Shaykh Ishaq Al-Huwayni (HA), Shaykh Hussain Yaqoob (HA), Shaykh Abdul-Khaliq (HA) and many others are also exposing your lies, deceit and fabrications.

The crimes of the Al-Saud on the Syrian front should be investigated in the light of statements of independent Ulamah, in fact the statement of Saudi Ulamah like Shaykh Al-Arifi (HA), Shaykh Safar Al-Hawali (HA) and Shaykh Aidh Al-Qarni (HA) are enough to expose the duplicity of Saudi regime. Who is supporting the Houthis in Yemen, ask the Yemeni Ulamah? Who is entertaining Zine El Abidine Ben Ali the enemy of Islam from Tunis? And who is thwarting attempts in Tunisia of implementing Shariah? Ask the Tunisian Scholars!

I want all those who support and praise Saudi regime to ponder over the statements of 56 Saudi Ulamah and others and to discuss whether Saudia is ruled by Qur'aan and Sunnah or not? Are their policies in accordance to Qur'aan and Sunnah or not? And we will accept whatever is the outcome!

I opnely invite all Salafees, Ahl-e-Hadeeth Ulamah for a Mubahala on the issue of despicable removal of Islamic regime in Egypt, to thwart the Islamic revolution in Syria, Yemen and Tunisia. This regime is involved in the most heinous crimes and their policies have nothing to do with Qur'aan and Sunnah but are extension of American and British policies.

I am willing for a Mubahila in front of millions in the Ramlila Maidan and I say:

  1. May the wrath and punishment of Allah (SWT) descend upon me if I am wrong
  2. May the wrath and punishment of Allah (SWT) descend upon you if you are wrong

This is an open challenge and I await your response. You so called  Salafee and Ahl-e-Hadeeth Ulamah should get ready! If you are ready then I will ask the public to proceed to Ramlila Maidan and witness this. You should also ask for your supporters to come and join.

وَلَمَنِ ٱنتَصَرَ بَعۡدَ ظُلۡمِهِۦ فَأُوْلَـٰٓٮِٕكَ مَا عَلَيۡہِم مِّن سَبِيلٍ

[42:41] And whoso defendeth himself after he hath suffered wrong - for such, there is no way (of blame) against them.

Inviter towards Allah (SWT)

(Shaykh) Sulaiman Hussaini Nadwi (HA)

 

 

 

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#81 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2013 11:34
I wish this happens and the ahle hadeeth are silenced on the matter. May ALLAH SWT bless maulana syed salman saab db for expressing the haqq. I was watching meraj rabbani's video and I cannot believe that somebody would take him so seriously....same with the other jahil abu musab whatever (the lebanese kid)....
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#82 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd January 2014 11:36

Dear Respected Maulana Arshad Madani Saheb (HA),

Your article was published in the local newspapers in which you have tried to defend the Saudi regime on behalf of Jamiatul-Ulamah (India) and you have tried to portray this as a position of Darul-ulooms associated with Darul-uloom Deoband:

  1. Your father Shaykhul-Islam Hussain Ahmed Madani (RA) fought against the foreign (British, Italians, French) all his life and Saudia has been sitting in their lap for and helping implement their policies have you thought about that?
  2. Saudia provided assistance to and backed US in killing nearly 10 million Iraqi and nearly 10 million Afghani Muslims and provided them all manner of support including air bases, have you thought about that?
  3. Islamic institues running under the Saudi regime call your elder misguided and heretics. Sufees are more misguided according to them then Qadiyanees. Their Islamic universities including Madina university gives MA and Phd degrees in which Shaykh (Maulana) Qasim Nanotwi (RA), Shaykh (Mufti) Rasheed Ahmed Gangohi (RA) and Shaykhul-Islam Hussain Ahmed Madani (RA) have been called misguided, people of Bid'ah. Deobandees have been presented like Qadiyanees. Rabi Madkhali calls Deobandees Kaafirs. Haramain has talks against your Akabirs! A Hanafi cannot be a teacher (in one of their universities) let alone Imam of Haram, have you EVER been asked to give a lecture at their Islamic universities
  4. Should Haramain be served financially, meaningfully OR according to Shariah? Are people (Hajees) guided according to Sunnah? Is free mixing prevented during Hajj?Are the rows upon rows of Hotel chains around Haram not Jewish owned? Are Saudi TV channels not littered with vulgar and naked movies and shows?
  5. Are the Holy land not entangled in a web of Interest based banks, multi-nationals and free-mixed Shopping centres?
  6. Did the prophet (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) not advise to KICK the Jews and Christians out of these lands?
  7. Isn't the new mixed university named after King Abdullah not criticised by Ulamah? Have you visited it? Have you visited other universities?
  8. Are other departments apart from Hajj and Religious Affairs according to Islam and Shariah? Are ministries of wealth, sports, culture, labour, internal and foreign affairs run according to Qur'aan and Sunnah?
  9. Is removing the Islamic Government in Egypt, spending millions on it and installing a Israel backed Government not a crime according to you? Have you not come across the talks of Shaykh Sahybani (HA) and Shaykh Shuraim (HA), if not then ask one of your students to present it to you! What about speeches of Shaykh Al-Arifi (HA) and Shaykh Aidh Al-Qarni (HA)? These are Ulamah with guts and not those who submit to the throne!
  10. Did you not know the situation in Syria and millions who have been killed and persecuted? Turkish Government is spending on these refugess while Saudi borders are closed! Same for Yemeni, Joradnian and other refugees. If you don't know then consult Ulamah from Syria, Yemen and Jordanian Ulamah as to how is backing the oppresive regimes. In case of Tunis, Saudees have actually given sanctuary to the Dictator
  11. You lambast policies about Indian (youth who are being rounded up by Indian Government but Saudia has imprisoned much more and only because they want reforms and some of these are authentic Ulamah
  12. Do you not know that Saudi Arabia is being run as personal property of Al-Saud? They spend millions on drinking, debauchery, gambling and other sins. If you are in doubt, ask those (in private) who serve the Royal family
  13. Have you seen the properties of wealthy Saudees and princes? Have you witnessed the western (unIslamic) lifestyles of their women and absense of Hijab? Was this the reason for the Prophethood of Sayyidina Rasul-ullah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam)? Is support for unIslamic forces and interests and backing the "Salafi" ideology not crimes? Do you think that the Yazeed (system of Government) was better then the actions and rebellion of Sayyidina Hussain (RA)?
  14. Did you froget the fear of Allah (SWT), Fear of day of judgement, behavior (legacy) of our Ulamah and their abstinence from wealth and wealth when backing and trying to support the Saudi regime?
  15. Are obtaining VISAS and some official and most unofficial support (from Saudia) worth more to you then the legacy of your Akabir, your Aqeedah and your Maslak?
  16. Do the Ulamah, students and supporters of Darul-uloom Deoband really back you on this weak, Anti-Shariah and selfish position (of yours)?

I invite you to call for a referundum amongst Deobandees and their affiliated institues

That leaves Salafees who have nobody in front and nobody behind them! Their shop is being run with Saudi goods. Their peddlers go from village to town cursing your elders, ripping your books, and spreading hatred against Tableeghi Jamaat, Deobandees and Hanafees. They are ripping apart commnities and Mosques. YOUR Darul-uloom stands up to them, print books, do debates but YOU on the behest of Saudi consulate stand shoulder to shoulder with these (Salafees) and want to hide the sins of Saudi regime.

What can any self-respecting (Ghayrat-Mand) resident of sub-continent do at this behavior except to lament!

(Shaykh) Sulaiman Hussaini Nadwi (HA)

 

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#83 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd January 2014 16:00
Brother muadh could you please locate and translate when you get time the article by maulana arshad madni db. Maulana Arshad madni db in his last visit to the UK was talking about how he organized sudais's visit to Deoband and how the ahle hadeeth could only manage like 1/10 of the turnout when they called shuraim. I found it strange that a deobandi alim was praising sudais the wahabi and feel that he got one over the ahle hadeeth. Deobandi ulema need to wisen up a bit. May ALLAH reward shaykh salman. We need to make it clear that najdis are different to deobandis.
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#84 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd January 2014 16:10
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HMAsalahuddin is your man for this as someone asked this question and an Indian Muslim replied on the email. I am on an email chain with some Indian Muslims so if he doesn't reply I will ask again.

The less said about Maulana Madani Saheb (HA) the better because he is a Sufi and son of a Sufi and that appears to be the most important qualification for people nowadays. What one does and how one conducts oneself seems to be of less importance these days.

How about Hazrat Maulana Tariq Jameel Saheb (HA) of Pakistan hosting him on Airport during the trip in which he made dua for Busharraf and "coincidentally" his trip was around the Jamia Hafsa slaughter...he made dua for Busharraf and left and Hazrat Maulana Tariq Jameel Saheb (HA) sang his praises and wrote poetry for him.

We live in a seriously disgusting world these days. To call a spade a spade is unfashionable, may Allah (SWT) reward Shaykh (Mufti) A.S. Desai (HA) as he seems to be the ONLY DEOBANDI ALIM on this issue who has stated the Haqq!

Jzk


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#85 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd January 2014 17:04
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Maamu Jaan, I couldn't understand this post of yours. Please elaborate

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#86 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd January 2014 17:21
I guess the saudis shall now ban shaykh salman nadwi from saudi arabia and knowing these Bedouin najdis they will probably terminate the employment of anyone linked to nadwah. Similar thing happened with the our pakistani brothers after 9/11 the bedouins of uae stopped visas for pakistanis. They were maybe scared that some pakistanis may attack the many american bases and ships etc that are parked in that land. These guys are a classic. This meraj rabbani dude is a right comic.....fits perfectly with the bedouin outlook.
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#87 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd January 2014 18:52
This is a general rule for everyone, so please bear it in mind and don't take names.

If you would like to name and shame, the you can either create your own blog or post in your own blog.

Jazakallah

Please maintain respect for each other and Ulamaa (if topic is about a scholar) by avoiding accusations and slanderous comments. Also remember that in order for criticism to be constructive, it must be channeled in the right direction. If there is any doubt in a matter, it is better to ask, clarify or to remain silent rather than to speak ill of another person.


We need to be cautious of what and how we speak, so I'm reminding my self first then others.
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#88 [Permalink] Posted on 4th January 2014 07:31
(salaam)

I've got the official statement of Darul Ulum regarding this controversial issue.

I think, to keep silent is better option; and wait till it's released to press or internet.

In short, we've suffered a serious damage.
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#89 [Permalink] Posted on 4th January 2014 07:44
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والسلام akhii

Care to elaborate a bit more,

What demands and how has it all been in vain ?
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#90 [Permalink] Posted on 10th January 2014 09:15

Assalaamu 'Alaykum

Another excellent article by Mawlana Sulayman Kindi which ties in very well with some of the points made by Shaykh Salman Nadwi

To name the Haramayn like a family business

In respecting the Ḥaramayn (sacred cities of Makkah and al-Madīnah), Muslims are not following blind custom but uphold the dignity and love Allāh Himself accords them. Even if nothing else were said in the Qurān and Ḥadīth, the affectionate titles Allāh bestows upon them in the Qurān, are sufficient indication for those of intelligence and faith. Thus, Makkah is the Mother of all towns, and al-Madīnah isThe Abode (of Migration of Rasūlullāh – Allāh’s Messenger – صلى الله عليه وسلمas well as being the Abode of Faith itself).  

وَهَذَا كِتَابٌ أَنْزَلْنَاهُ مُبَارَكٌ مُصَدِّقُ الَّذِي بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَلِتُنْذِرَ أُمَّ الْقُرَى وَمَنْ حَوْلَهَا وَالَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْآخِرَةِ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِهِ وَهُمْ عَلَى صَلَاتِهِمْ يُحَافِظُونَ

And this is a Book which We have sent down, blessed and confirming (The Revelations) which came before it, that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around her. Those who believe in the Hereafter, believe in it and they guard their prayers. [al-An‘ām: 92]

 

والذين تبوءوا الدار والإيمان من قبلهم يحبون من هاجر إليهم ولا يجدون في صدورهم حاجة مما أوتوا ويؤثرون على أنفسهم ولو كان بهم خصاصة ومن يوق شح نفسه فأولئك هم المفلحون

And those who inhabited the Abode before them and believed [before their arrival] love those who migrated unto them. They found no desire in their hearts for what they had been given, [but instead] preferred them to themselves even if afflicted with dire poverty. Indeed those who save themself from the greed of the self are certainly the successful ones. [al-Ḥashr: 9]

As an extension of their love for Allāh and His Rasūl [Messenger]صلى اللهعليه وسلم Muslims call these cities by many other names of respect and affection, e.g. aṭ-Ṭābah, aṭ-Ṭaybah –  the Pure City.  Many of these names originate from Allāh’s Messenger, Muḥammadصلى اللهعليه وسلم himself.

Naming a country after a family

The register of crimes of the Satanic Saudi regime includes many which no one ever before had perpetrated. Had these “first-ever” crimes not been so sad, it would have been humorous if one considers that the Saudi regime seems obsessed with labelling any practice they disagree with as “innovation.”  For example, they were the first to invite Christian and Jewish troops to trample the sacred soil of Arabia. They broke with the Islāmic tradition of affectionate names for Makkah and al-Madinah, and most audaciously they have been the first to rename the land as if it is some personal family estate or business, “SAUDI Arabia.”

Yes, had the Āl-Sa‘ūd founded some vegetable shop and called it Saudi Veggies, or keeping with their family activity, had they opened a casino and called it Casino Saud, then that would be their affair, but when they take the historically unprecedented step of naming the sacred lands as if it were their family business, it should be a matter of offence to every Muslim of dignity and concern.  

Of great concern is how Muslims not only do not realise the gravity of this offence, or that it is an offence, but that that they casually say that they are visiting “Saudi/ Saudiyah”!!! Is that name integral to your understanding of the sacred cities? Why not drop the pernicious title of Islām’s enemies and say, “Arabia” instead? Indeed the best slave is one who does not realise he is a slave. How can Muslims accept this insult to the dignity of Islām when even the Christian monarchies never acted so arrogantly?

Christian Monarchies

·         Queen Elizabeth’s surname is supposedly Windsor, but that is a name to hide her German surname of Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha. In either case, her family has never arrogated either name over England or the United Kingdom, nor have any of the previous ruling families such as the Plantagenets, Hanoverians, Stuarts etc. The House of Saud supersedes them all in arrogance.

·         English ruling houses were relatively short-lived compared to the Capetians, who together with their relatives the Bourbons, ruled France from 987-1848. Nine centuries, but was France ever anything other than France? What utter arrogance, O House of Saud!

·          The Hohenzollerns ruled a little European county, Zollern, from before 1061. Eight centuries of epic expansion finally led to one of them being crowned over the united country of …. Hohenzollernia? No! One would think that if any family had the right to name their land after themselves it would be the family which took 8 centuries to unite their country. Yet they too did not have the arrogance of the House of Saud. A Hohenzollern was crowned in 1871 as GERMAN Emperor.

An Exception

The Saudis are not entirely alone however. Yet the nature of their company only emphasises the conceit of these two bedfellows.

The Liechtensteins bought Schellenberg in 1699 and Vaduz in 1712 for political reasons. In 1719 they were incorporated as the Principality of Liechtenstein. Since the “country” was bought solely for political reasons, no Liechtenstein prince even bothered to set foot in the county for over 120 years!

How similar to the Saudis who are more at home in their villas in Spain and France than in the land they named after themselves and which they milk like a cow.

Innovation

The innovation-obsessed Saudis need to answer for their criminal innovation of naming the sacred land of Makkah and al-Madīnah as if they are their family fiefs. This is an innovation no one before committed. This is but one crime out of many which make them wholly unsuited to rule a single grain of the sacred soil of Arabia. It is also a cover for their false claims of legitimacy. By maintaining silence on this matter, the Muslims too become complicit in the crimes of the Satanic Saudi regime. May Allāh grant that we see a day when the sun will rise on an Arabia free of the Saudi pollutant.

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