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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 28th October 2013 10:40

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The issue under discussion is Saudees. For the last 80-90 years feel free to categorically list Fatawa coming from Saudees which havn't condemned EVERY OTHER Islamic work, the discussion isn't about balanced "Salafees" but Saudia and its role. Shaykh Salman Nadwi (HA) has already said that the Dawah of Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab (RA) has been hijacked!

Saudia supports Jihad? What did you put in your coffee this morning???

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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 28th October 2013 11:03
Saud Salafism and its impact on other places.

In India, most of the people who went to Saudi to search Rizq learned something about deen & caused fitna when they returned to their home land.
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 28th October 2013 11:25
You mentioned Saudi ulema and their graduates and not the actions of the government. I agree the actions of the government are a joke but as it has been highlighted before Saudi is probably the best in the whole bunch of muslim countries and the only one which has Islam as a major source (only source) of legislation with the madhab being hanbali. The other countries are openly secular. This alone saves it from takfir in comparison to others who openly espouse kufr and shirk and man made legislation. I agree it's foreign policy is seriously messed up and it's application of shariah is selective but it's treatment of foreign workers etc is not a matter of takfir no matter how much zulm it is. With regards to maulana Esa Mansuri db we are well aware of him and his viewpoints. In the 1980s he famously went to Iran and was photographed as a result markaz terminated his employment as it was/is not befitting for an imam of a tablighi markaz to be photographed. He praised the Iranian revolution!!! Please note that I am not a Saudi lover but let us not forget that amongst the people who signed the famous fatwa allowing the crusaders into the holy lands was not only mufti bin baz rh but also shaykh abul hasan ali nadwi. With regards to maulana Syed salman nadwi db then I have heard from many sources that he is very good friends with shaykh zindani (salafi jihadi) and recommends jamiat ul imam in yemen for studies. This is a salafi institute with ikhwan leanings. With regards to shaykh syed salman nadwi's comments that Saudi has left the teaching s of Muhammad ibn abdul wahab then don't you agree that is a good thing? I mean according to you (and other sources) Muhammad ibn abdul wahab was a takfiri who did takfir on whole towns and on the Ottomons and not only Ottomans but even those that were their allies (the majority of sane muslims)See my whole point is that you are mentioning points against Saudis/salafis which are gross generalizations. The matters are far more complex then salafi/Saudis are all bad whilst the rest are angels. Why do the deobandi ulema lionise sudais the lover of the tawagheet??? Matters are very complex. The very same maulana Isa Mansuri you mention is a good friend of shuaib hasan (infamous salafi, loves Saudi, compares his son's kufr of darwanism to the asharis and maturudis) and also of maulana ateeq ur rahman (son of maulana manzoor nomani. The same maulana ateeq ur rahman is also good friends with mufti barakatullah (another controversial figure) This shows how complex matters are and why generlizations are not good. People don't fit into categories very well.
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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 28th October 2013 11:53

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Nobody is perfect but lets bring the issue back to the point. Just because Maulana Isa Mansuri (HA) and others have made mistakes so what? We reject every single idea from them and keep bringing their mistakes of 30 years ago?

During the last 30-40 years overwhelming majority of Madina university graduates have caused NOTHING but problems in India/Pakistan, in the west and everywhere else. They have opposed every single Islamic idea, group and party apart from themselves backed by millions in Petro-Dollars.

We are all eye witness to the TERROR spread by these Madina university graduates and their poodles up and down the land. No doubt many of the brothers and sisters are good and decent but the majority is what counts. I don’t know any other Islamic university which has caused such irreparable damage and devastation across the Ummah on such a massive scale.

Imam Sudais Is a poodle of Saudi regime along with many other rented Imams and Scholars which the regime has used for decades to pacify the Ummah and to bleed us internally. The empty slogans of Saudi constitution based on Qur’aan and Sunnah is PURE GARBAGE because I have lived in Saudia and I know what their financial system is based on (I worked in their state bank, remember?), I also know their juridical system which punishes Non-Saudees while Saudees walk.

Every UN vote on Palestine, Saudees have rigged!

Every economic depression, Saudees have helped the US by hiking the price of oil and buying weapons!

There are hundreds of Ulamah languishing in their prisons and being raped and tortured.

Their crimes are enormous and I don’t you what you are putting in your coffee, brother.

For decades many like you have used the excuse that “they are better than other countries”...Better than wha? Fir’aun? Dajjal? Of course they are so what do we do? Sit on our laurels and praise the bandit king or prostrate to him like every other poodle has been doing for decades to get some money like a dog expects a bone from his Master?

Brother, even Salafees are realising the CANCER of Saudi and institues like Madina university!

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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 28th October 2013 12:19
brother this requires a face to face debate. I invite you to london for food at my house where we shall debate this. See I have no issue with what you are saying but tell me one government which is any better? You talk of Madinah University whilst forgetting our thousands of madaris where students study for 8 years and more and can't even read arabic? How about the abuse of chanda by deobandis? You tell me about Madinah University causing chaos how about azhar and it's clean shaven, music listening graduates? I agree it's pure garbage but at least it's written in the constitution which is enough to stop one from takfir whilst others clearly state they are secular and have no mention of Islam in legislation which brings takfir into the equation. The crimes are enormous but not enough to warrant takfir. How about some from banu ummayad who drank alcohol from the mimbar? Please note that I am not a fan of Saudi but let us be a bit fair. The UAE government is far worse....same as pakistan governemnt etc.
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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 28th October 2013 12:35

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We are discussing apples and oranges here.

  1. You are saying Saudi Government is better than other Governments.
  2. You are saying that other Madaris and Darul-ulooms also have problems besides Madina university.

This is SF method of discussing mastered and propagated by Israel. We want to talk about Israeli treatment of Palestinians and they keep bringing in the military atrocities of Burmese Army and say look we are squeaky clean compared to what the Burmese are doing to Muslim.

My brother, the benchmark in Islam is Qur'aan and Sunnah and not Musharraf Government (of Pakistan). We don't really care if Saudi Government is better than Jordanian Government, really who cares???

Disucss the issue at hand, the current situation and ground realities.

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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 28th October 2013 13:37
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd November 2013 12:33
  1. Huda Abdullah: 21 year old wealthy Saudi girl
  2. Arafat Muhammad Tahir: 24 year old Yemeni Car Mechanic working as an Ex-Pat in Saudia

The two met and fell in love in Saudia and wanted to get married. Saudi law and society doesn't allow so she crossed the border into Yemen to marry. Both were arrested and put in Jail.

Huda applied for Poltical Assyllum on the basis of being persecuted (parents forcing her to marry someone else).

Saudi Government wants her back and has put pressure on Yemeni Government.

Both have done nothing wrong but want to marry.

Yemen and most of Middle-East are backing the young girl and their bollywood style love story while Saudees want to enforce their will on their poor neighbour (Yemen)

Huda says that she would rather DIE then to marry someone else!

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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd November 2013 14:11
salaam

how can there be doubt on the saudi regimes kufr when they imprison, torture, and murder mujahideen at the request of their kuffar allies, america and israel and the rest of those who have formed an alliance against islam and the mujahideen?

O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people. [5:51]
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 25th November 2013 07:08
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UN protects eloped Saudi 'Juliet'
24 November 2013 8:17 PM

A Saudi girl who eloped to Yemen to be with her Yemeni lover has been given UN protection as she seeks asylum.

UNHCR officials in Yemen told the BBC Huda's application was likely to be approved on the grounds that she could face mistreatment, even death, at the hands of her family if returned home.

In Yemen, it is being celebrated as a modern day Romeo and Juliet story.

Huda crossed the border several weeks ago, followed by her boyfriend, Arafat, who was working in Saudi Arabia.

Huda - who is in her early 20s - says she decided they had to elope after Arafat's marriage proposal was rejected by her family.

The two have been held in an immigration detention centre in Yemen since their arrival.

Huda is charged with illegally crossing the border.

The same charge against Arafat was dropped, but he refused to be freed, wanting to remain with her in prison.

The two get to meet once a week when Huda's asylum case is heard in court.

At first, her application to do this through the UNHCR was rejected by the ministry of the interior.

But UNHCR officials in Yemen say the judge allowed her request last week.

After the latest hearing in her case, the UNHCR was allowed to talk to her in the court building.

She then filled out a form known as the Refugee Status Determination. While this is being studied, she is under UN protection and cannot be deported.

Dominant role

The UNHCR officials have told the BBC that it is very likely that she will be granted full refugee status in the next few days, which would mean that Huda and Arafat would be freed and able to marry.

The officials say that the Yemeni government is legally bound to honour this, but it is still likely to come under pressure from Saudi Arabia to deport her.

The relationship between the two neighbours is fraught. The wealth and size of Saudi Arabia allows it to play a dominant role in its far poorer neighbour.

Complicating this further is that hundreds of thousands of Yemenis work in Saudi Arabia - but many have had to leave recently as the Saudis mount one of their biggest ever campaigns to reduce their dependence on foreign labour.

The friction that inevitably rises from such a close and dependent relationship has led many Yemenis to embrace the saga of Huda and Arafat not just as a love story but as a way of cocking a snook at the Saudis.

For its part, the UNHCR says that if Yemen does for whatever reason bow to Saudi pressure over the case and try to have Huda deported, it has an alternative plan which could see the two united in another country.

BBC � 2013
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 25th November 2013 09:19
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Funny law,
Saudi Shariah importing Salafis must use this law in their homes. As they are the ones who say, in Saudi no topi(cap), We fast once Moon is visible in Saudi, in Saudi Aameen is louder. Going forward, please don't get your daughter married to Non Saudis.
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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 29th November 2013 11:30
brother xs11xs the issue of takfir is a very delicate matter. I would like to hear of one deobandi alim who has made open takfir of the saudi regime. Please note that Mufti A S Desai does not count.
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 29th November 2013 12:08
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Do Pakistani Taliban count? :p
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 29th November 2013 12:21
bhai muadh no pakistani taliban don't count.
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 29th November 2013 12:43

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  1. Shaykh (Mufti) A.S. Desai (HA) out of the picture
  2. Tehrek Taliban (Pakistan) out of the picture
  3. Al-Qaida out of the picture

That leaves us with:

  1. Shaykh Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi (HA)
  2. Shaykh Abu Baseer Mustafa Haleemah (HA)

And some other Salafi Jihadees...

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