Flu Vaccination (with porcine) For 2-16yr olds

Asslamo Allaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh,

I apologise for the delay but let’s get back to the discussion, Insha'Allah.

There are those who argue that vaccination is basically an evil tool and those propagating are bent on destroying humanity and many of our brothers and sisters belong to this camp. I have nothing to add to this discussion and they can carry on believing whatever they want to believe.  I am not strong believer in conspiracy theories and I also know that those who believe in conspiracy theories can give me links (to sites) and books to read; fair enough!

Then there are those argue that vaccination isn’t as effective (medically) as it is made out to be. I agree to the extent that it isn’t 100% effective but it is effective enough and it is also true that there are many documented cases of patients contracting a disease even after being vaccinated so no arguments there.

Then there are those who argue that the ingredients in each vaccine need to be looked at and (Islamically) evaluated. I also agree with this because it is in line with Islamic Sharaih. What we need to do is here to investigate independent bodies who have looked at vaccines such as University of Oxford (Vaccine group). The report that the MMR vaccine in UK contains pork gelatine as a stabilising agent as follows:

Gelatin derived from pigs is used in certain vaccines to protect the viruses against the effects of temperature. The only vaccine containing gelatin in the UK routine schedule is the MMR. There have been a tiny number of cases of allergic reaction to vaccines containing gelatin (around 1 in 2 million cases). People with a known allergy to gelatin should seek expert advice before receiving vaccines containing gelatin.

No licensed clinic in the UK now offer the jab  (separately) so in my opinion we need to:

1. Get our facts together
2. Submit a detailed question outlining risks, alternatives and get a Fatwa

I am with you 100% if you want to do that and assist in formulating a detailed query and then get responses but I am not for phobias and conspiracies.

Jazakallahu Khayran

• fatawa on permissibility of vaccinations based on ingredients - across various contexts; and
• an informational tool for parents to be better aware and consider issues pertaining to immunizations in general especially in places where they are not mandatory, required, or needed.

Are you a full blown "Pawlakian" from SF? :) Or just dabble into conspiracy theories once in a while? Pretty much agree with the rest and my post was specifically regarding MMR (in UK)

Aapa,

Are you 100% sure about the opinion of Hazrat (Mufti) Taqi Usmani Saheb (HA)? There is ABSOLUTELY no Fatwa about Pork gelatine at all!

Gelatine:

Similarly, Hadhrat Mufti Muhammad Taqi Uthmaani, an eminent contemporary scholar and also the son of Hadhrat Mufti Muhammad Shafi Sahib, states that he has undertaken various travels in order to acquire some verification on the Tabdeel-e-Maahiyat (transformation of skin and bones in consequence of chemical processes during gelatin production) issue and thathe has personally observed the different stages of Gelatin production. Hadhrat Mufti Sahib's view is that the occurrence of Tabdeel-e-Maahiyat is questionable and unclear hence he is hesitant in issuing a positive verdict on this matter. However, if any proof of Tabdeel-e-Maaahiyat does surface in the future then the consumption of gelatin made from the skin and bones of a pig would also be permissible.

Scientifically  there is no transformation in gelatine...

1. Here is a link to the book which view inline is being quoted by Hazrat (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA)
2. Here is in indirect link to the opinion of South African Ulamah and Hazrat (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA) and both after repeated visits to factories don't believe that transformation occurs

وقد قام مجموعة من العلماء المقيمين في جنوب أفريقيا بزيارة إلى مصانع لينوكس دافيس لإنتاج الجيلاتين وهي من أكبر المنتجين له في مدينة كروجيروسدروب في جنوب أفريقيا عام 1995م ولم يجدوا ما يقنعهم خلال الزيارة بجواز الجيلاتين وذهبت مجموعة أخرى عام 1997م واتخذت قراراً بأن عملية التحول (Metamorphosis) لا وجود لها. وبالمثل قام الشيخ محمد تقي عثماني بعدة زيارات ليثبت مبدأ تبديل الماهيات للجيلاتين ولا زال محل تساؤل لديه وهو متردد في إعطاء أي رأي إيجابي، بل ويذهبون إلى أبعد من ذلك فيقررون أنه ليس ثمة فرق بين الكولاجين كبروتين والجيلاتين كبروتين إذ إن الجيلاتين موجود في الكولاجين فلا يوجد ثمة فرق في التركيب الجزيئي وكل ما هنالك أنه قبل التصفية والتنقية يسمى كولاجين وبعدها يسمى جيلاتين( ).
وهذا يقوي رأي القائلين بالمنع خصوصاً إذا استصحبنا أن الأصل في الخنزير وما تفرع منه هو الحرمة ولا يزال عن الأصل إلا بيقين وقول الخبراء هنا اختلف بين مثبتٍ للاستحالة ونافٍ لها.

Banana? :(