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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 24th July 2013 15:32

AAWW, on my mind for some time (maybe other peoples minds too). I may just been looking at this the wrong way so other peoples views and experiences would be most welcome.

 

Why do ‘our’ brothers insist on using Fazail Amaal to do taleem at work. Usually most work places (in London anyway) have a very mixed crowd so using books like Fazail Amaal may not (for whichever reason) sit comfortably with ‘some’. If ALL/MOST the attending congregation are more comfortable with some think Riyadus Saaliheen why cant that be read instead. We had two brothers who used to pray with the main salaah congregation at work but now dont – i have a hunch its do to with ‘our’ brothers being adamant in reading Fazail Amaal. Both these brothers mashallah i found to be good brothers (ones a non extreme salafi and the others a hanafi whos close to Shaykh Akram Nadwi)

 

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Theres numerous anecdotes of past Ulama and pious individuals (May Allahs mercy be on all their souls) from India in Fazail Amaal thats almost impossible for someone whos in his mid 20s in London, New York etc and has never been to Indo-Pak nor intends to (ever) go, to relate to. It would be nice if in future a revised version (if revised!) could replace some (i.e not even all) of those anecdotes with more recent anecdotes from UK, USA just so a contemporary crowd can relate to the anecdotes a little more.

 

p.s. please dont take this the wrong way i.e. nothing to do with some nut case's usual allegations and misunderstandings about using weak hadith etc for the purposes of virtues or drawing inspiration/lessons from (i.e. non-fiqhi)

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 24th July 2013 15:41

I was assigned to do Masjid-Wali Jamaat in a hardcore Salafi Masjid in my youth for a longtime and after Mushwara under the guidance of our Ameer Saheb:

  1. Never used Fazail-e-Amaal
  2. All Bayans were carefully planned
  3. Didn't let any Tom, Dick & Harry give a Bayan in that Mosque (Arabs included) no matter how big of a BUZURG the person was!

Brothers from the Masjid were actually looking to pull us up on something and to object to something, never really got anything. In fact the tables were turned on them because every time they discussed some hypothetical Tabaleeghi-Jamaat the Ameer Saheb discussed it head-on and said you have no DALEEL because I am Tableeghi (I am here) and go find the people and discuss this in India/Pakistan.

Learned a lot under the Ameer Saheb personally I think most Tableeghees do things in a ROBOTIC manner without much thought.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 24th July 2013 19:38
WS.

Have a one on one with them and explain to them the wisdom behind reading Riyadh us Saliheen instead of FeA - tabligh is all about taking all of the ummah with you meaning the different groups, which is why the elders don't insist on FeA only...please take the initiative and before you talk to them do duas, do ta'lim of RuS instead of FeA.

But let me also tell you one thing:

An Ahle Hadith I talked to once said even RuS contains fabricated hadiths!

He said it when I advised him to do ta'lim of FeA [at the time I didn't know he was AH] - then he said FeA had fabricated hadiths, I didn't argue, I didn't even answer, I told him brother, then do talim of RuS [I didn't even suggest Muntakhab lest he said that too comes from a Deobandi Ulamah and says something against it..]

So you know people will always have something to say..

See:

theijtema.com/2013/07/24/tabligh-comics/

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 24th July 2013 19:49
In my opinion the problem they may have is that they believe the Aqeedah of the tablighi brothers maybe corrupt, hence refraining from praying behind them or with them.

If possible, try and get this talk to them and see if they can listen to it with an open mind. You may have to sell it to them saying, "Whats wrong with FeA!" not with the question mark (?)

www.muftisays.com/forums/76-the-true-salaf-as-saliheen/63...
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 24th July 2013 20:51
salaam

is it a tablighi taleem that is taking place or is it a general taleem?

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 24th July 2013 20:59
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Bhaijaan, ROBOTIC manner is a sign of it'aat [obedience] - its a great wonderful thing, let the it'aat come first then inshaAllah other things will come too, let them get rooted first, inshaAllah then the growth will happen.

ROBOTICISM is a gift from Allah swt ....when every other person in the 21st century wants to play muhaddith, mufassir and what not...

I'll see if I can get the Urdu version of Ml Yusufji's 6 points where he has said the real work hasn't started yet..I have read it, should be there in the house somewhere.

WS.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 10:11

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Asslamo Allaikum,

Negative!

Robotic obedience to Allah (SWT) & Sayyidina Rasul-ullah (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) is REQUIRED & PRAISEWORTHY.

Robotic obedience to an Ameer (when his commands within Islam) is a COMMAND from Allah (SWT).

Robotic obedience otherwise is NOT ISLAM. The 25 year old Tableeghi in my local Mosque is neither Allah (SWT), nor Rasool, nor my Ameer, nor has enough knowledge in Islam to DEMAND Robotic obedience.

I have spent time and discussed a lot with the Akabir of Nizamuddin & Raiwind and many Deobandi Mashaykh so a person must be able to ascertain suitability of what is being said.

I was in a Majlis of a well known Shaykh (xs11ax may also been there) and the Shaykh made a rude comment about a brother’s wife and him having a sexual session to which everybody in the room laughed (except a few people). The comments were downright rude, fowl and vulgar and those around should have HAD a brain to distinguish that it was inappropriate.

A Senior Tableeghi on Christmas day last year sat me down for 2 hours and gave me Dawah saying, “Allah (SWT) has Angels which are bigger than the heavens and the Earth so imagine how BIG Allah (SWT) is...”

Rest of the Tableeghees around us were spinning their heads in praise at the Hikmat of Hazrat which is staright heresy!

Common people amongst Sahabah (RA) (men and women) used to regularly OBJECT to their Ameer openly if they deemed something to be against Islam. Islamic history is filled with many stories of this nature.

Sufees & Tableeghees have elevated their leaders to the level of Prophets so they won’t get it.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 13:51
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WS.

I'm not denying what you've said, in-fact Ml Sa'eed Ahmed Khan Saheb rh said and I quote from his book not hearsay, that this work is flexible, and dawah is also something to be learnt [he said that too - but people today degrade the work saying what else is there to tabligh than just the 6 points?], no denying it, what I'm saying is its a good thing that a layman in these times is doing what he's told - he at-least is reading FeA not anything else.

We are forgetting something, if that 25 year old tableeghi brother has been made the local halaqa Ameer through mashwara then he is the Ameer and of-course if that's not the case, then no reason to follow his advice.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 13:55
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From experience I can say they [AH/S] look for excuses to hate us, they are not in search of / don't wanna hear common factors that would make us work together, hence the reason that AH said even RuS had fabricated hadiths.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 18:18
Which leaders have Tablighis elevated to the level of prophets?
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 18:28
From a 2 hour talk you found a mistake. Masha-Allah. For 2 hours he gave you dawat. Masha-Allah. In this day & age that's some achievement. He tried his best to call to Allah. If Maulana Saeed Ahmed Khan Saab regarded himself as a student, the person speaking with you can be nothing other than a student & so, as a layman, he is bound to make a blunder. But judging by the constant criticisms you post on all different subjects, including posting that a Maulana is an ignoramus, it comes as no surprise to me that you failed to see the overall good in the 2hr dawat that you were given. Allah gave us 2 eyes. One to look at your own faults, one to look at the good in others. If the subject matter of your life is to criticise others, I wonder whether you have considered whether your own islah is in order. Consider, Allah is taking work from the brother, despite his faults, and you are left sniping on a forum. Grow up & start spending your Ramadhan properly.
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 18:29
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Are you asking a quiz question, or making a statement?
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 18:41
It is obvious what I am asking. A statement was made by Muadh Khan. I am seeking clarification by asking the question: "Which leaders have Tablighis elevated to the level of Prophets?"
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 18:49
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Its a metaphor!

He is speaking metaphorically.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 25th July 2013 19:03
Metaphor or not, it has to have a basis. What is the basis of this of the cuff statement? I am intrigued to know.
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