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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2013 10:34

Asslamo Allaikum,

When I lived in London all those years ago I didn't concern myself much with politics and the current research is based on googling so please feel free to correct me:

  1. Tower Hamlets: Around 36% Muslims and labour council
  2. Newham: Around 34% Muslims and labour council

Why are things for Muslims in Tower Hamlets relatively stable and projects get approved while in Newham things seem to be a disaster?

Please remember that I am outside of London so my perception could be completely wrong!

Jazakullah Khairun

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2013 12:34
Excellent point raised brother.

From what i understand, this is one of the facts that is and will be drawn on in tonight's Newham Peoples Alliance meeting which will have the likes of Mufti Sadruddin and George Galloway attending.

If you didn't mention the % of Muslims in each of the borough and simply asked me, based on the way the boroughs are currently run and Muslims are treated, i would have said something like 60% Muslim - Tower Hamlets and 10% - 15% Muslim - Newham.

Well... watch this space Robin Wales (mayor Newham council) because in the next election, the Muslims of Newham will Insha'Allah make sure you never have a position for the council ever again!
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2013 12:50

"Shamim M Uddin" wrote:
Excellent point raised brother. From what i understand, this is one of the facts that is and will be drawn on in tonight’s Newham Peoples Alliance meeting which will have the likes of Mufti Sadruddin and George Galloway attending. If you didn't mention the % of Muslims in each of the borough and simply asked me, based on the way the boroughs are currently run and Muslims are treated, i would have said something like 60% Muslim - Tower Hamlets and 10% - 15% Muslim - Newham. Well… watch this space Robin Wales (mayor Newham council) because in the next election, the Muslims of Newham will Insha’Allah make sure you never have a position for the council ever again!

I just double checked the numbers and they seem to be roughly right so there isn't a lot between the two councils, is one labour councillor in Newham the problem?

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2013 13:01
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_London_Mosque

Tower Hamlets is home of the Largest mosque in Europe, Alhumdulillah. (They even have an App)

With the kind of facilities the Masjid provide, even the non Muslim can see the benefits of it. The Bengali residents have been there for a very long time and have given a service to cater for everyones needs. (especially food).

It is amazing to think that even the Queen is of Tower Hamlets ;)
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2013 13:46
Unity.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2013 14:02
Asslamo Allaikum,

Can someone explain in a little detail the difference between the two Muslim communities next to each other? Surely 1 Labour Councillor can't be the reason???

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2013 14:11
Subhan'Allah, unity is most certainly the word!

I think Newham's Muslims are more spread out in terms of nationalities and cultures, whereas the majority of Muslims from Tower Hamlets are from Bangladesh and I suppose that may be a factor in the unity front.

Also I think as Tower Hamlets was previously one of the landing points (if I can call it that) of Bangladeshi Muslims settling down in London, therefore it has an advantage over other areas.

Nonetheless, there should be no black and white difference especially when we're saying Tower Hamlets has only 2% more Muslims than Newham!

I doubt it is more than just one councillor although; Robin Wales attitude towards Muslims is not something that is new.
I've heard many things of his stance and approach towards the Muslim community but since I can't verify any of it, probably best not mention it.

Shocking but hey I guess that's politics!

Back to us, the Muslims on ground level, to move our backsides and make a change (Insha'Allah starting with me first and foremost).


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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2013 14:11
Muadh wrote:
Asslamo Allaikum,

Can someone explain in a little detail the difference between the two Muslim communities next to each other? Surely 1 Labour Councillor can't be the reason???[/quote]

The Answer is the opposite of what Maulana Khalil has said.

[quote="Maulana Khalil"]Unity.


It is DISUNITY

Thumbs up to that Maulana!

There is Major disunity amongst the Muslims in Newham. Especially Between Deobandi and Barelwi Muslims. Tower Hamlets is home to MOSTLY Bengali Muslims who are always united and keep their family ties, wether they are Deobandi, Barelwi or Salafi.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2013 14:30
SubhanAllah, 50+ official Mosques and Islamic organisations in Newham www.mosquedirectory.co.uk/search_mosque/mosquesearch.php?...

The Masajid consists of one of the biggest Ahle Hadith centres - Masjid Tawhid (E15 2BP), one of the biggest Barelwi centres -Minhaj ul Quran (E7 9HD) (need I say more - Tahir ul Qadri), the Tablighi Marzak, and a Shia institute (E7 8BS)
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2013 15:13
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2013 15:43

"moulanakhalil" wrote:
Please read this from a blog I used to write on a few years ago: askmuallim.forumotion.net/t75-transript-of-shaykh-abu-al-...

Jazakullah Khairun Maulana but I do have another question.

Lets suppose that we (as Muslims) get involved in Politics but it is obvious that we on our own don't have the majority to make decisions so we will have to no choice to make alliances with left so how do we deal with Gay Rights etc? In Shariah would our responsibilities be fulfilled if we abstain? I have wondered about it a lot and not sure how someone would behave when it on the spot.

In order to counter EDL we need help from other Abti-Fascist organisations so how far do we go?

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2013 18:02
Very interesting points. Firstly it's vital for Muslims to be involved in politics.
Secondly to use an example which is slightly applicable and doesn't completely go of on a tangent would be the current Coalition government who formed an alliance, have differences and openly disagree on certain policies. Though for the lib dems (minority compared to the other two), to get some recognition and have some influence over decision making joined the party with the most seats.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 13th February 2013 18:32
Hmmm. For the greater good you go as far as possible. If the alliance has adverse impact on wider scale towards deen then you must pull out. Choose the alliance wisely.

You're not bound to the alliance forever.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 14th February 2013 10:18

"moulanakhalil" wrote:
Very interesting points. Firstly it's vital for Muslims to be involved in politics. Secondly to use an example which is slightly applicable and doesn't completely go of on a tangent would be the current Coalition government who formed an alliance, have differences and openly disagree on certain policies. Though for the lib dems (minority compared to the other two), to get some recognition and have some influence over decision making joined the party with the most seats.

Asslamo Allaikum Maulana,

You make some interesting and superb points and we need to realise that we need to engage in Politics to protect our interests at least at the local (Council) level and in order to influence Government Policy at the National Level we need to make alliances and differ within the boundaries of Shariah.

The starting point is not to worry about “Gay Right” but to start the engagement and seek guidence from Ulamah.

Jazakullah Khairun

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