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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 16th January 2013 21:11
May people transport the body of deceased relatives abroad for burial. The bodies are legally required to go through a process called Embalming. The following is information regarding the process. It is hoped that the information will insha Allah prevent people from practicing on this tradition of overseas burial.

Embalming
Embalming is a process to preserve bodies from the time of death until they can be buried or cremated.
Embalming is required when a body is taken out of the country.
A certificate is usually provided by the embalmer.


The Embalming Process
�The body is placed on stainless steel or porcelain table, then washed with a germicide-insecticide-olfactant. The insides of the nose and mouth are swabbed with the solution

�Rigor mortis (stiffness) is relieved by massage. (Rarely but sometimes, tendons and muscles are cut in order to place the body in a more natural pose if limbs are distorted by disease, e.g., arthritis.)

�Facial features are set by putting cotton in the nose, eye caps below the eyelids, a mouth former in the mouth (cotton or gauze in the throat to absorb purging fluids). The mouth is then tied shut with wire or sutures.

�Arterial embalming is begun by injecting embalming fluid into an artery while the blood is drained from a nearby vein or from the heart. The two gallons or so needed is usually a mixture of formaldehyde or other chemical and water. In the case of certain cancers, some diabetic conditions, or because of the drugs used prior to death (where body deterioration has already begun), a stronger or "waterless" solution is likely to be used for better body preservation.

Chemicals are also injected by syringe into other areas of the body.
�The second part of the embalming process is called cavity embalming. A trocar - a long, pointed, metal tube attached to a suction hose - is inserted close to the navel. The embalmer uses it to puncture the stomach, bladder, large intestines, and lungs. Gas and fluids are withdrawn before "cavity fluid" (a stronger mix of formaldehyde) is injected into the torso.
�The anus and vagina may be packed with cotton or gauze to prevent seepage if necessary. (A close-fitting plastic garment may also be used.)
�Incisions and holes made in the body are sewn closed or filled with trocar "buttons." The body is washed again and dried.
The body is shrouded and placed in the casket.

Chemicals Used
�Typical embalming fluid contains a mixture of formaldehyde, methanol, ethanol, and other solvents. The formaldehyde content generally ranges from 5 to 35 percent and the ethanol content may range from 9 to 56 percent.
�Ethanol, also known as ethyl alcohol, drinking alcohol or grain alcohol, is a flammable, colorless, slightly toxic chemical compound, and is best known as the alcohol found in alcoholic beverages.
� An alcoholic beverage is a drink containing ethan

Q/A from Darul 'uloom Deoband:

Assalamualaikum

Q1-When someone passes away, is it permissible to transfer the body from one country to another like Ameer Jamaat Hazratjee Maulana Yusuf R.A his body was transfered from Pakistan to India?

Q2-Was any Sahabah's body transfered from one place to another?

Q3-A person passes away in a country where he has no relatives,if the country where his relatives live is close then is it permissible to transfer the body to that country?

Answer: 7862

Nov 22,2008

(Fatwa: 1611/1528=D/1429)

قال في البزازية نقل الميت من بلد الى بلد قبل الدفن لا يكره وبعده يحرم، قال السرخسي وقبله يكره أيضا الا قدر ميل او ميلين (شامى 305:5 و 663:1)

It means that transferring the death body from one place to another is makrooh (undesirable) though some Islamic jurists permit it but the preferred ruling is that it is undesirable, so one should avoid it if there is no severe need.

(2) Hadhrat Abdur Rahman (رضي الله عنه) was not buried where he passed away but he was taken to another place and buried there, but Hadhrat Aesha (رضي الله عنها) did object to it. Once in a journey, when she passed by his grave, she said: Had I power I would have not allowed you to be buried here, rather you should have been buried in the place where you breathed the last.

(3) It is allowable to take it to one or two miles, but it is makrooh tahrimi (undesirable to an extent of haram) to take it from one country to another:

يندب دفنه في جهة موته اي في مقابر أهل المكان الذي مات فيه أو قتل (شامي 1:602)

Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) knows Best

Darul Ifta,
Darul Uloom Deoband

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 16th January 2013 21:41
SubhanAllah, so much detail, its amazing and scary.

I thought the only thing they did in this case was fill the body with alcohol.

This is a very common and ridiculous practice amongst the Pakistanis.

There is a hadith that says that we can not do to a dead body what we wouldn't do to a live person, hence the Muslims are outraged with postmortem.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2013 10:12
Subhaana Allah! does any one know why Maulana saab body was transported Pakistan to India. ..and also is this more then the distance stated by DARUL IFTAA
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2013 15:29

Asslamo Allaikum,

This is just my uneducated opinion and Maulana Yasin needs to double check this. There are two issues to be discussed here:

  1. Embalming of the Body:  In UK there is no law requiring the body to be embalmed and many funeral homes which prepare the body, don't embalm it and the body easily gets transported to Pakistan naturally and gets buried there provided that its done quickly (ofcourse)
  2. Transporting the Body: Its Sunnah to peform Janazah and then accompany the body the bury as soon as possible

وحدثني محمد بن عبد الله بن نمير حدثنا عبد الله بن يزيد حدثني حيوة حدثني أبو صخر عن يزيد بن عبد الله بن قسيط أنه حدثه أن داود بن عامر بن سعد بن أبي وقاص حدثه عن أبيه أنه كان قاعدا عند عبد الله بن عمر إذ طلع خباب صاحب المقصورة فقال يا عبد الله بن عمر ألا تسمع ما يقول أبو هريرة إنه سمع رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول من خرج مع جنازة من بيتها وصلى عليها ثم تبعها حتى تدفن كان له قيراطان من أجر كل قيراط مثل أحد ومن صلى عليها ثم رجع كان له من الأجر مثل أحد فأرسل بن عمر خبابا إلى عائشة يسألها عن قول أبي هريرة ثم يرجع إليه فيخبره ما قالت وأخذ بن عمر قبضة من حصباء المسجد يقلبها في يده حتى رجع إليه الرسول فقال قالت عائشة صدق أبو هريرة فضرب بن عمر بالحصى الذي كان في يده الأرض ثم قال لقد فرطنا في قراريط كثيرة

Dawud b. 'Amir b. Sa'd b. Abu Waqqas reported on the authority of his father that while he was sitting along with 'Abdullah b. 'Umar, Khabbab, the owner of Maqsura, said: Ibn 'Umar, do you hear what Abu Huraira says that he heard the Messenger of Allah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) say:" He who goes out with the bier when taken out from its residence and offers prayer for it and he then follows it till it is buried, he would have two qirats of reward, each qirat being equivalent to Uhud; and he who, after having offered prayer, (directly) came back would have his reward (as great) as Uhud"? Ibn 'Umar sent Khabbab to 'A'isha in order to ask her about the words of Abu Huraira (and also told him) to come back to him (Ibn 'Umar) and inform him what 'A'isha said. (In the meanwhile) Ibn 'Umar took up a handful of pebbles and turned them over in his hand till the messenger (Khabbab) came back to him and told (him) that 'A'isha testified (the statement of) Abu Huraira. Ibn 'Umar threw the pebbles he had in his hand on the ground and then said: We missed a large number of qirats. [Muslim]

Q:) But is it Haram or Makrooh or Haram to transport the body to be near relatives if there is no fear of rupture or violation in the four (4) Madhabs?

A:) Not that I know of, specially when the train journey is less then 3 hours away!

Shaykh Maulana Yusuf Kandhalwi (RA)'s body was transported from Pakistan to India because of political reasons because there was a lot of turmoil at the time and remember that India-Pakistan went to full blown war within a few months.

 

 

 

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2013 16:08
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Praise be to Allaah.

This issue may be discussed from two angles:

1 - The issue of acting upon the wishes of the deceased

2 - The ruling on moving the deceased from the land in which he died to another land.

With regard to the first issue, it is obligatory to carry out the wishes of the deceased, whether he left a will describing something obligatory or something mustahabb.

See al-Sharh al-Mumti', 5/333

With regard to the second issue:

Shaykh Ibn Qudaamah said:

The deceased should not be moved from his land to another land unless that is for a valid reason. This is the view of al-Awzaa'i and Ibn al-Mundhir...and because it is easier and it avoids any delay that may cause the corpse to start decaying before burial. But if there is a valid reason for doing so, then it is permissible.
Al-Mughni, 2/193-194



Please note, this is only half of the answer
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2013 16:43

"abu mohammed" wrote:
"Islamqa" wrote:
Praise be to Allaah. This issue may be discussed from two angles: 1 – The issue of acting upon the wishes of the deceased 2 – The ruling on moving the deceased from the land in which he died to another land. With regard to the first issue, it is obligatory to carry out the wishes of the deceased, whether he left a will describing something obligatory or something mustahabb. See al-Sharh al-Mumti’, 5/333 With regard to the second issue: Shaykh Ibn Qudaamah said: The deceased should not be moved from his land to another land unless that is for a valid reason. This is the view of al-Awzaa’i and Ibn al-Mundhir…and because it is easier and it avoids any delay that may cause the corpse to start decaying before burial. But if there is a valid reason for doing so, then it is permissible. Al-Mughni, 2/193-194
Please note, this is only half of the answer

Asslamo Allaikum,

  1. The question asked to Darul-uloom Deoband is ridicolous because the issue at heart is transport of a body across a few hundred miles but the one asking the question has deliberately worded it to be "Between India/Pakistan" i.e. which makes it sould like horrendous ardous travelling...Once you look at it realistically i.e. transport between Lahore & Delhi it is no longer as spectaclar because they have been twin cities for thousands of years! This Fatwa is vastly different to the situation of the body being trasported from UK/USA to India/Pakistan
  2. The one asking the question also fails to mention that this happened at the time of high tension (which led to war) and communication links were bad and HazratJee Maulana Yusuf (RA) visa had problems to begin with because he went from East Pakistan (Bangladesh) to West Pakistan
  3. The one asking the question also fails to mention that the Ameer of Pakistan at that time was Muhammad Shafi Quraishi (RA) who was the Retired Cabinet Secretary of Pakistan and knew the political situation (war looming) and in fact the meeting of Pakistani high officials with HazratJee Maulana Yusuf (RA) is mentioned in the biography so the highest level of Pakistani Government were involved in the matter and they must have advised the Ulamah of teh political situation
  4. 4th reason: Speculation so I won't say it...

Points 2 (explicitly) & 3 (implicitly) are mentioned over and over again in almost all of the books in which this incident is described.

The answer given is incomplete because the question is weird and ambigous. The art of getting a Fatwa is in asking the question.

The question should have been:

Q:) What is the Sunnah of burial and transporting the body? Can the body be transported under abnormal circumstances as done with the body of HazratJee Maulana Yusuf (RA) and authorised by the Ulamah? What conditions are needed to authorise transport of the body away from its location of death?

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2013 17:23
Subhaana Allah!! Seems to be a loaded question Allahu `Alam
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2013 17:46

"Abu Taalib Deobandi" wrote:
Subhaana Allah!! Seems to be a loaded question Allahu `Alam

It could be or it could be trying to find a reason for the actiosn of Ulamah. I will tell you a story which I wrote on Sunniforum years ago.

My uncle (Mom's brother) went for Umrah and he heard of a Shaykh so he went looking for him with his wife. When he got to the massive apartment building he saw that the lift was only being used by the Shaykh and although his wife was partially disabled they made them climb the stairs. He immediately felt his heart turn against the Shaykh thinking what kind of Shaykh is this whose Mureeds would stop a woman from riding in the lift?

When they met the Shaykh in private, he couldn’t hold it back and asked the story about the lift.

Shaykh (Mufti) Aashiq Ilahi BulandSheri (RA) replied, “I made Hijrah to the Prophet’s city in Madina from India with no money. A Saudi man insisted on giving us this building and passed away shortly thereafter and left no money for the upkeep and maintenance and I also don’t have any money. I have 3 sons and we have divided up the building and I have taken the top floor as they have small children and stairs are not safe for the children and women folk to go up and down many times a day. It so happened that my knees are affected and I can no longer climb and down the stairs and this lift is my only way to get to Prophet’s Mosque so I use it 2-3 a day and with care. My sons are insisting for us to move to a different floor but how can I inconvenience them over myself?”

At this point my uncle was ashamed and feeling guilty that he suspected something else.

Then Shaykh (Mufti) Aashiq Ilahi BulandSheri (RA) smiled and said, “Alhumdolillah, you actually asked me the matter about the lift but most people would come here and look at an old man living it large who is supposed to be a Shaykh of Tassawuff, won’t ask and leave with a suspecting heart!”

P.S: The story was someting to that affect and I am recalling it to the best of my memory. The point is that when consider the war, politics and transport of a few hours the scenario isn't significant as its made out to be.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2013 19:35
Hmmm! Masha Allah
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2013 20:18
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Asslamo Allaikum, This is just my uneducated opinion and Maulana Yasin needs to double check this. There are two issues to be discussed here: Embalming of the Body:  In UK there is no law requiring the body to be embalmed and many funeral homes which prepare the body, don't embalm it and the body easily gets transported to Pakistan naturally and gets buried there provided that its done quickly (ofcourse) >


assalaamu 'alaykum
It says here that embalming is necessary (and this so according to my information as well) and there is a fatwa on the site regarding embalming

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2013 20:41
Please note, this (embalming) would be done in cases where the body is flown to another destination. The route to and from Pakistan would be by road or train, especially in those days.

Nowadays, it has become a trend to fly even short distances and these people who put their deceased through this process should fear Allah.
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2013 21:02
Assalaamu 'alaykum
When I posted the details of embalming I was referring to the current tradition of sending bodies back home by air from the UK, not to the transportion of the Shaykh's body from Pakistan to India as I was not even aware of it. I should have made that clear and the present discussion could have been avoided...

yes (Brother abu mohammad) I think its a horrendous procedure for a deceased to go through. From the cases I've heard about there is no "quick" procedure for this. The whole process takes from a few days to even a week before the body is finally laid to rest abroad. Thousands of pounds are spent on the whole process of embalming, transportation and the family accompanying the body. Also the Janaaza salaat is performed twice, once here and once abroad. All of this is against the Sunnah and I feel we should be trying to educate those who practice insha Allah and not spend time in futile discussions.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2013 21:03
Paak funeral is my Murshid's Hadhrat Shaykh Dr. Nadeem Qureshi saab Allahu Akbar
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2013 21:18

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"Muadh_Khan" wrote:
Asslamo Allaikum, This is just my uneducated opinion and Maulana Yasin needs to double check this. There are two issues to be discussed here: Embalming of the Body:  In UK there is no law requiring the body to be embalmed and many funeral homes which prepare the body, don't embalm it and the body easily gets transported to Pakistan naturally and gets buried there provided that its done quickly (ofcourse) >[/quote] assalaamu 'alaykum It says here that embalming is necessary (and this so according to my information as well) and there is a fatwa on the site regarding embalming paakfuneral.com/body-shipping/[/quote]

[quote="abu mohammed"]Please note, this (embalming) would be done in cases where the body is flown to another destination. The route to and from Pakistan would be by road or train, especially in those days. Nowadays, it has become a trend to fly even short distances and these people who put their deceased through this process should fear Allah.

[quote="ummi taalib"] From the cases I've heard about there is no "quick" procedure for this. The whole process takes from a few days to even a week before the body is finally laid to rest abroad. Thousands of pounds are spent on the whole process of embalming, transportation and the family accompanying the body. Also the Janaaza salaat is performed twice, once here and once abroad. All of this is against the Sunnah and I feel we should be trying to educate those who practice insha Allah and not spend time in futile discussions.

110% not true. Embalming is not necesarily done and I can 110% confirm this, some funeral homes do it and some don't.

It also does not take a week to get the body from UK to Pakistan and buried, it can be done in less then 48 hours.

Moving the body is against Sunnah and delaying the burial is also against Sunnah but the issue about embalming and delay is not a fact in UK.

If I was 99.99% right and 0.01% wrong I would admit it.

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2013 21:36
I dont want to drag this out. BUT it seems certain acts that would NOT be done regularly, has and are being done when a dire need arises Allahu `Alam
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