rizmalek wrote:
Any more evidence / arguments. I want to show this to some idiot at work who told me sahih Bukhari is no good.
[/quote]Did you ask him on what basis?[/quote]
He was singing Michael Jackson and I told him that he's fasting and singing.
He needs to fear Allah and stop cos music and singing is haram.
He said no, music ain't haram and started chatting crap.
So I told him this hadith
[quote]�"The Prophet, peace be upon him, said:
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"There will be (at some future time) people from my ummah (community of Muslims) who will seek to make lawful: fornication, the wearing of silk, wine-drinking and the use of musical instruments (ma'azif). Some people will stay at the side of the mountain and when their shepherd comes in the evening to ask them for his needs, they will say, 'Return to us tomorrow 'Then Allah will destroy them during the night by causing the mountain to fall upon them, while He changes others into apes and swine. They will remain in such a state until the Day of Resurrection." (hadeeth #494B in Vol. 6, Sahih Al-Bukhari)
Then he said no that's crap because Imam ghazali said its ok.
And called me salafi lol.
I then told him that he needs to repent.
Later he sent me that Arabic email I sent you to translate that apparently states imam ghazalis argument / conversation of justifying music.
I asked him what madhab he follows and he said Malik, so quoted him back via email
[quote]You're a Maliki - so I'm sending you an extract from Imam Malik's book of Fiqh. So what will you do with this knowledge?
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Imam Malik
It is related by Ibnul-Jowzi that Ishaq bin Esaa At-Tabaa asked Imam Malik bin Anas, the leading jurisprudence of Madinah, about the view of the people of Madinah regarding singing (ghinaa). He replied,
"In fact, that is done by the sinful ones."
Abut-teeb At-Tabari said,
"As for Malik bin Anas, he truly did prohibit singing and listening to it."
He further related that Malik said,
"If one purchased a servant-girl and found her to be a professional singer, he could return her to the original owner for reimbursement on the claim of having found fault in the merchandise."
The ruling of prohibition (tahreem) is generally agreed upon by the scholars of Madinah.
The Maliki jurisprudence and commentator, Al-Qurtubi, reports Ibn Khuwayz Mandad, as saying that Imam Malik had learned singing and music as a small boy until his mother encouraged him to leave it for a study of the religious sciences. He did, and his view became that such things were prohibited.
Al-Qurtubi confirmed Malik's view by saying that the only exception to this general ruling was the type of innocent songs such as those sung to placate the camels during travel, or during hard labor or boredom or during times of festivity and joy, such as the Eid days and weddings-the latter to the accompaniment of a simple duff(hand drum).
Al-Qurtubi then said,
"As for that which is done in our day, by way of the (blameworthy) innovations (bidah) of the Sufi mystics in addition to their hearing songs to the accompaniment of melodious instruments such as flutes, string instruments etc. such is haram (forbidden)."
