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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2012 13:37
assalamu alaikum.

iv been on you tube and alot of releated videos adfter watching some deoband lectures refers to the above.

does anyone know him and his stance. i take it his brelvi.

he has made some comments about the ullema of deoband and it is said that he has approched as suffa for debate. he call the salafi NAJDI and does know acknowldge them as muslim..

any info thanks
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2012 16:06
Never heard of him before this. Just heard a few of his links on youtube now, very interesting. But need clarification by the senior members and Ulama.

At least there is someone out there roaring, just hope he is on the Haq. I'm in no position to give any form of opinion.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2012 21:38
I haven't heard this talk yet, but the info below the talk mentions Shaykh Zahir Mahmood whom we love and respect as a brilliant Imam. I would rather follow Shaykh Zahir Mahmood to be safe.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvZaTTW9mgw&feature=related

There are many great speakers, that doesn't mean they are true in everything. Take Tahir ul Qadri and Dr Naik for example.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 11th April 2012 22:18
Another thing I would like to mention is that the topics he wants to debate on are not much of an issue for us anyway, because we accept tawassul when done correctly, we accept the narrations of mid Shaban, and some of the other points he talks about we also accept possibly with a slight difference.

For many years I had heard so many things from the Barelwi that I could not accept because of the salafi books I read, it was only recently that I have learnt that our ulama of Deoband also have these beliefs and they prove them with evidences. An example is the book of fazail e aamal, there are so many things in there that the Barelwi also accept but is rejected by the salafi. And on this topic I would recommend this talk:

www.muftisays.com/forums/the-true-salaf-as-saliheen/6375/...
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 12th April 2012 01:10
it is best to avoid him. i've been following him for a while now. Alhamdulilah he seems very knowledable, however he has the mentality that only he is on the HAQ and everyone else is deviant and the majority of his talks share this theme whether it is hitting out at salafis or deobandis. In this day and age we need unity no matter if were deobandi brelvi salafi. There is common ground and we need to find that inshallah. Shaykh asrar attracts alot of youth and this mentality is being passed on to them. Just a month or so ago a group of youths gatecrashed a bayaan of shaykh murtaza khan demanding he debate shaykh asrar (can be seen on youtube).
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 12th April 2012 08:46
Thanks all. some good words from brother abu mohammed and from the guest
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 12th April 2012 10:10
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2012 00:07
Another thing I would like to mention is that the topics he wants to debate on are not much of an issue for us anyway, because we accept tawassul when done correctly, we accept the narrations of mid Shaban, and some of the other points he talks about we also accept possibly with a slight difference.

For many years I had heard so many things from the Barelwi that I could not accept because of the salafi books I read, it was only recently that I have learnt that our ulama of Deoband also have these beliefs and they prove them with evidences. An example is the book of fazail e aamal, there are so many things in there that the Barelwi also accept but is rejected by the salafi. And on this topic I would recommend this talk:

www.muftisays.com/forums/the-true-salaf-as-saliheen/6375/...
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2012 02:50
true. The main thing im concerned about is his approach. I know you dont know much of him but he is pretty popular in the midland and yorkshire regions, all the barelwii youth know of him and look up to him and the mentality he is spreading is not good at all. I've started to meet some quite heated up youngsters who hate any anyone whose not barelwi.
But as brother abu mohammed said there are many things we agree upon with the brelwis, which reminds me of mufti muhammad ibn adams fatwa on mawlid and the differences with deobandis and barelwis on issues such as ilm ul ghaib. in his introduction he states

"It is extremely important to have tolerance, patience and forbearance. We must be precautious in what we say. We should try and look for excuses in favour of our fellow Muslim brothers and sisters. If a statement or viewpoint of a fellow Muslim seems incorrect, then rather than condemning the person, go and investigate as to whether it is true or otherwise. Don't force others to believe what they themselves do not believe.

Many of the issues on which the Deobandis and Barelwis are divided are for this very reason. Many a time, there is no "significant" difference, rather it is only a case of interpretation or how it was said, yet there is so much fuss made about it.

For example, the matter of whether the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) had knowledge of the unseen is made such an issue, but if we were to ponder deeply with cool headedness, it would become clear that there is no significant difference. The Deobandis state that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) had knowledge of many unseen things, but the knowledge was given to him by Allah Most High. As such, one cannot call the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) the "Knower of the Unseen" (a'lim al-ghayb), for that is used when one has knowledge of the unseen without being informed. When I asked some of my Barelwi friends that do you believe the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) had knowledge of the unseen in a manner that Allah has? They said: "of course not" How can the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) be equal in knowledge to Allah. However, he had knowledge of the unseen, but it was given to him by Allah Most High.

Now, when we look at these two positions, it becomes clear that both the Deobandis and Barelwis agree that the Messenger of Allah's (Allah bless him & give him peace) knowledge of the unseen was given to him by Allah Most High. The only difference is whether one can call him A'lim al-Ghayb or otherwise. The Deobandis state that because the knowledge was given to him by Allah most High, it is not correct to call him A'lim al-Ghayb, for that title is for someone who knows of the unseen without being informed by another. The Barelwis, on the other hand, say there is nothing wrong in giving this title to the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) even if the knowledge to him was given by Allah Most High.

Thus, the difference is very minute indeed. But rather than explain to people that it is a very minute difference, we make it a fundamental part of one's Aqidah. Some Deobandis insist that the Barelwis regard the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) to be equal to Allah, and that they regard his knowledge to be similar to that of Allah, whereas some Barelwis refuse to accept that the Deobandis also believe that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) had knowledge of the unseen, and that they disrespect the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace)".

full fatwa can be found on his website

I think hes spot on
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2012 05:08
It's all about one upmanship. In other words, "i can do better than that".

The Barelwi take things to the extreme and I have witnessed some of there kufr and shirk with ky own eyes. But that does not mean they are all like that because I have also witnessed the opposite and those who condemned these kufr acts.

Surah At-Takathur, Verse 1-2
Abundance diverts you, Until you come to your graves.
(English - Shakir)

via iQuran

In.other words, we will never agree and this will continue until we go into our graves.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2012 20:42
Although I say the difference is minute, that is amongst those who have some sort of Sahih knowledge.

The Major difference is this; www.muftisays.com/blog/abu+mohammed/578_18-11-2010/who%27...

Can Asrar Rashid justify these Barelwi acts. And believe me, they are Barelwi. I've seen it with my own eyes.

Can he justify Tawaf around the graves, Can he justify Sujood to graves of the Awliyah?

I didn't think so!
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2012 20:47
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2012 21:21
Finally, how can I not mention Mujahideen and Jihad.

Can anyone name Barelwi Mujahideen. And I don't mean Sufi Mujahideen like the great Omar Mukhtar. (The Afghan Taliban etc are Hanafi Deobandi, not Barelwi)

What were the Barelwi Akabir doing when the Brits ruled India and what did the Deobandi's do.

The same question goes to the Qadyanis.

And there is a link between Ghulam Mirza Qadyani, and the teacher of Ala Hazrat. Ahmed Rida Khan AKA Alah Hazrat's teacher was the brother of Ghulam Mirza Qadyani. They both came from a Shia background.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd May 2012 04:49
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Finally, how can I not mention Mujahideen and Jihad.

Can anyone name Barelwi Mujahideen. And I don't mean Sufi Mujahideen like the great Omar Mukhtar. (The Afghan Taliban etc are Hanafi Deobandi, not Barelwi)

What were the Barelwi Akabir doing when the Brits ruled India and what did the Deobandi's do.

The same question goes to the Qadyanis.

And there is a link between Ghulam Mirza Qadyani, and the teacher of Ala Hazrat. Ahmed Rida Khan AKA Alah Hazrat's teacher was the brother of Ghulam Mirza Qadyani. They both came from a Shia background.


These three points have been refuted by Maulana Asrar many times.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd May 2012 05:35
Interesting to hear that. I, and I'm sure many others would like to clarify any misconception we have. If you could provide details that would be great MashaAllah. As I have mentioned before, there is not that much of a difference. The only difference that I see are from the lay people.

This is something that was sent to me (IN RED), I cant really disagree as I have seen it with my own eyes.

Between what? Barelwees and Muslims? LOOOOL yeah apart from the fact that they commit wholesale Bid'ah. They destroy their concept of Tauheed with a number of beliefs of shirk. They perpetrate acts of grave-worship. They elevate the Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and the Auliyaa (rahmatullah alayhim) to the pedestal of Godhood. In fact, in their excessive veneration they resemble the Chiristians who deify Hadhrat Isaa (alayhis salaam) and his noble Mother, Hadhrat Maryam (alayhas salaam). They prostrate to the graves of the Auliyaa; they make tawaaf of the graves; they decorate the graves with expensive quilts and sheets, they practise meelad, urs, etc.; they believe in the omnipresence of the Rasool (sallallahu alayhi wasallam); their headquarters are the graveyards where they erect tombs for generation of financial income. But yeah apart from that, not much difference. And if anyone claims they (as an individual) dont believe that, then why on earth would they call themselves Barelwees?

Also interesting is that nothing else has been touched upon by the guest. So can I understand the other points to be correct and part of the Barelwi Aqeedah? If my statements are in correct, please correct me so others and myself can understand.
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