Answering Specific Objections on Tableeghi Jamaat and its methodology

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#46 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2023 17:46

Tableegh is Fardh Kifaayah. Tableeghi Jamaat is one of many thousands of methods for Tableegh. Tableeghi Jamaa'ah has no ruling. If a person didn't spend a single second in Jamaa'ah doesn't mean he's never been involved in Tableegh. Even lowering your gaize can be Tableegh. The mentality that Tableegh Jamaa'ah is the only way or the best way first needs to be eradicated and half if not more of the external issues will be resolved. Then the internal issues can be worked on.

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#47 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2023 18:32

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so who are responsible for fardh e kifaya?

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#48 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2023 19:20

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#49 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2023 23:01

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Oft repeated amongst jamaat saathis to anyone who will listen " this work is the arc of Nuh. Who so ever boards it will be saved and the rest ... doomed. "
Now filled to brim with this type of ghulu, try mentioning maulana saad to them.

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#50 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2023 01:19

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" this work is the arc of Nuh. Who so ever boards it will be saved......... Stop!!"

Adding "rest will be doomed" is ghuloo.

Boarding in the sense... Be regular with Amaal e dawat.

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#51 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2023 01:31

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Maulana...
If my son, brother or near relatives living abroad are nearing irtidaad, what is the status of, saving them from irtidaad. I call it "fardh e ayn"

I quote from Fatawa Aalamgiri

Wherever your efforts can bring change in ummah, it is Wajib, obligatory on you.
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Logically correct statement

If I would like to run away from responsibility, I have to declare, "I am nothing, my effort will not yield any result, who will listen to me." So it is someone else kifayah.

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#52 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2023 05:51

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I believe this is a common misunderstanding amongst the detractors of TJ. They are not talking about the Tehreek e Iman that is attributed to be founded by Maulana Ilyas رحمة الله عليه. When they say this is the work of Nuh عليه السلام, they mean to say that this is just a way of doing the work of Anbiya عليه السلام. They are trying to motivate the listener into participating in the work of Dawah, not to promote membership of TJ.

How this misunderstanding has even developed, I have no idea. The TJ has no official membership status, count or any form of activity that would deem it comparable to political parties or movements. It's a methodology of Dawah, that's it. Anyone can do it, and everyone SHOULD do it. That's what the message is above. I have never heard a TJ saathee say that anyone not joining TJ is doomed. But the issue of the ummah abandoning Dawah can very clearly be understood by ulema, who will explain that it is pretty much the reason for all ills in our societies today.

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#53 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2023 06:03

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The way I have heard it from ulema is that when amongst the ummah, nawafil are being abandoned, Dawah is nafl. When Wajib and faraiz are being abandoned it becomes fard. Now it is up to the reader and listener to honestly evaluate what the situation of the ummah is in their view.

However, what the people on the forum are expressing is that TJ saathees are impressing upon everyone that Dawah in the form of TJ is what is fardh. Now if they even are, I believe those would be some over-zealous saathees who are once again using their own logic and zeal to express a point of view which certainly does not come from the elders of Tabligh. The main purpose for asking people to spend time in TJ is to cut themselves off from the world for a little while and learn the art of Dawah. Then of course no one is forcing them to choose only this style of Dawah. They are free to choose other styles as long as they are under the supervision of knowledgable elders who can guide them according to Shariah. Because as we all know leaving people to practice whatever style of Dawah they prefer has opened the doors of much bigger fitnahs than the Muslims knew of before, especially in the Western society. So that in itself is a reason to confine yourself to tried and tested methods of Dawah started by people who were much better than us.

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#54 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2023 07:32

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Jazkallahu khair for excellent reply based on pure knowledge.

My experience is......
Tableeghi jamaat creates a situation or pushes itself in a situation and voluntarily creates a Hukm on themselves. The Hukm changes from "nafl" to "fardh e ayen", dynamically changes with the gravity of the situation.

A tableeghi saathee or the visiting tableeghi sathees face a situation:

1. There are multiple reports of irtidaad in a town/city/country.

2. There is no masjid. Or Masjid is there, for years it is not opened, 100s of families around have abandoned the masjid.

3. The whole city witnesses; in shops and houses, in a single frame, photos of hindu dieties and buraaq/ kaaba photo.

4. All men in town consume liquor.

5. Every muslim family in town is living in Zina. Like Hindus, Men (maternal uncle) marries his sister's daughter. Nikah with maharramaath.

6. Muslims show the correct way of living with harmony. They know two festivals, dusserah and Aashoorah.

Many more.....

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#55 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2023 14:17

Probably covered already, but one of my biggest issues with TJ'ism is that they don't preach to non Muslims out of fear that they will not be able to fulfil their rights upon them if they embrace Islam. So they use the excuse of preaching to family and already Muslims to work on their own faith.

The Daees preaching to non Muslims are doing far more greater than those preaching to already Muslims. That's how I am seeing it.

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#56 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2023 14:36

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To be able to understand the reasons behind this one needs to understand the point of view of the elders of TJ. There are 2 main points regarding this. One, the elders and ulema of TJ believe that the next great revolution in the world, as in the next time Islam is dominant, will be led by the Mahdi. The Muslims of today just need to get ready for when that time comes. Obviously they believe we are no where near to be ready, especially given the state of the Arab Muslims. They believe that the work that TJ is doing can be compared to a scenario where a house in a neighborhood is on fire and the neighbors gather around to shout "fire" "fire" not because they can put the fire out by doing that, but because they know that they are not the ones for that job, that will be done by the firefighters. So they are merely shouting to draw the attention of the firefighters who will eventually come and put the fire out. The elders of TJ believe this to be the work of the current TJ saathees. Drawing the attention of the real mujaddids towards our predicament. When the Mahdi and his followers emerge, they will be the ones to get us out of it. Right now Muslims are not even ready to do this minor duty. So that's why TJ tries to motivate existing Muslims rather than getting more Muslims into the fold.

Secondly, the ulema and elders of TJ have always maintained that the kuffar are today will barely be influenced by our preaching or talks. What will influence them towards Islam will be our actions. We show them the Islam that Sahaba رضي الله عنهم practiced and they will be forced to question their own choices. Can we honestly say that the Muslims of today are equipped to show the kuffar such an Islam? Infact, far from it, we Muslims crave the lifestyles of the kuffar. From what I have experienced of the world so far, this belief of elders that we need to show kuffar the true Islam, is pretty accurate. That is why we hear kaarguzaris of jamaat going off to far off countries in different continents and only talking to Muslims, yet many kuffar revert after seeing them in their element. This is what the TJ is trying to achieve with Muslims. Get them back to practicing Islam in the way that Sahaba رضي الله عنهم showed us.

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#57 [Permalink] Posted on 19th January 2023 07:02

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May be I am wrong, based on whatever information I have, Tableeghi jamaath has access to information about situation ummah is facing. A part of it gets broadcast through media. Other core issues are not addressed.

Domination of Islam is very far, defending Imaan and Deen of Ummah is prime requirement. Unfortunately Imaan and Deen are in danger in holy land. If land is grabbed by enemies, we can sacrifice our lives to free our land. But imaan and deen are not safe in Muslims land under leadership of Muslims and we are helpless.

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