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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2011 12:46

Asslamo Allaikum,

For the last 10+ years I have translated, wrote and discussed the issue of moon sighting (in Saudia) with various people and have discouraged people from insulting Ulama & Mashaykh. However, the situation in UK has reached such a boiling point where Ulama are openly being lied about and slandered in order to promote Saudi Sighting and dubious prayer times.

Academically, this may or may not be a difference of opinion and Ulamah have the right to disagree BUT nobody has the right to lie, slander, make accusation and spin matters to promote a position. In this thread we will discuss the doings of Hizbul-Ulama & Shaykh (Maulana) Miftaahi (RA) with references from their site. I request anybody who is “Pro-Saudia” to read with an open mind OR better send a link to Hizbul-Ulama & Shaykh (Maulana) Miftaahi (RA) to put their pint forward.
 

Most of this won't be my work but work of Ulamah who have addressed and discussed these with Hizbul-Ulama & Shaykh (Maulana) Miftaahi (RA) and requested them to correct their statements with no avail.

Jazakullah Khairun

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2011 12:59

Point 1: Slander on Darul-uloom Karachi & Mufti Taqi Usmani (HA)

Claim by Hizbul-Ulama:

http://www.hizbululama.org.uk/highlights/1432ah/ramdan/Karachi_Fatwa_about_18_degree.pdf

18 degrees is not followed "completely" by Darul-uloom (Karachi) for Fajar

Response by Shaykh (Mufti) Taqi Usmani (HA):

Our dear, noble and beloved Shaykh was contacted by email (he clarified that Salah at 18 degrees is valid) on the Phone...

He expressed shock and read لاحول ولا قوّة إلّا باالله

Response by Hizbul-Ulama & Maulana Miftahi (HA):

Mufti Taqi Usmani (HA)'s response forwarded to them but NOTHING done to either remove the article or put the acts right...

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd August 2011 13:02

Point 2: Slander on Shaykh (Mufti) Rafi Usmani (HA) & Maulana Saleem Dhorat

Claim by Hizbul-Ulama:

http://www.hizbululama.org.uk/highlights/1432ah/ramdan/Why_our_fasting_times_are_not_wrong.pdf

Preferrence of "observation" OVER 18 degrees!

Discussions between Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat & Shaykh (Mufti) Rafi Usmani (HA)

Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat (HA) sent a question to Shaykh (Mufti) Rafi Usmani (HA) and in reply Hazrat FULLY ENDORSED 18 degrees (for UK) and therefore institues associated with Shaykh (Maulana) SaleemDhorat use 18 degrees.

This entire conversation (i.e. question and then answer) is listed in "Nawadirul-Fiqh" and sans can be provided for anyone who needs it.

Response by Hizbul-Ulama & Maulana Miftahi (HA):

Response forwarded to them but NOTHING done to either remove the article or put the acts right...

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 24th August 2011 15:46

Point 3: Slander on Shaykh (Mufti) Mahmudul-Hasan Gangohi (RA)

Claim by Hizbul-Ulama:

http://www.hizbululama.org.uk/highlights/1432ah/ramdan/Why_our_fasting_times_are_not_wrong.pdf

Mufti Saheb (RA) who was then Grand-Mufti of Darul-uloom Deobandi retracted his opinion about 18 degrees...

Discussions between Ulamah in 1983 (Bradford) & Fatwa:

18 degrees was adopted and 12 degrees condemned which is exact opposite of what is being claimed...

Here is a full report on the meeting (in Urdu and English)

http://salahtimes.wikispaces.com/file/view/1983+Agreement+with+Trans.pdf/244851361/1983%20Agreement%20with%20Trans.pdf

Response by Hizbul-Ulama & Maulana Miftahi (HA):

Response forwarded to them but NOTHING done to either remove the article or put the facts right...

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 3rd September 2011 23:58
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2011 16:28
Is hizbul ulima. The madrasa in bury or a different organization
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 4th September 2011 22:13
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Is hizbul ulima. The madrasa in bury or a different organization


Asslamo Allaikum,

Hizbul-Ulamah has nothing to do with Darul-uloom Bury.

Jazakullah Khairun
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 5th September 2011 10:42
are they hanafi thought of school or all brands
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 5th September 2011 11:59

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are they hanafi thought of school or all brands

Hizbul-Ulamah are Hanafi & Deobandi

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