Islamic Dates and the Moon

Asslamo Allaikum,

After 10+ Years of discussions I have learnt a few things:

1. The issue is very simple. If the moon is NOT BORN, it CANNOT be SEEN! If the sky is clear Hanafi Madhab requires a large group of people to testify BECAUSE it is common sense that many people will sight the moon.
2. People very clear understand that point but they claim that they don’t understand it because:
   1. 
      It will make them confront the situation with Ulama-e-Kiraam
   2. It will make them “think”

So its safer for them not to do this and they stick to “I don’t understand” .

• It isn’t difficult to understand the simple fact that if the moon is NOT THERE it CANNOT be seen.
• It isn’t difficult to understand that Ulamah of Deoband have NEVER followed Saudia in India/Pakistan
• It isn’t difficult to understand that Ulamah of Deoband have NEVER recommended following Saudia
• It isn’t difficult to understand that NO OTHER Deobandi community in the world follow Saudia
• It isn’t difficult to understand that “almost” every major Deobandi Darul-uloom and Mufti in the world has given a Fatwa AGAINST following Saudia in UK.

But people are scared because they believe by confronting these facts “they are disrespecting their Shaykh or their Maulana”.

This fear makes them say OVER & OVER again, two things:

1. There are Ulamah on both sides.
2. I don’t understand these moon issues because its complex.

There are “NO” major Ulamah supporting this. Majority of Ulamah including Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat (HA), Shaykh (Maulana) Bilal (HA), Shaykh (Maulana) Riyadhul-Haq (HA) ARE AGAINST following Saudia and know very well that its an error! The pressure and blackmailing from “some others” prevents them adopting this position. Our Ulamah-e-Kiraam are coerced and forced into this position by “some others”.

What happened in Batley 2 years ago cost Shaykh (Mufti) Yusuf Sacha (HA) one of the most senior Muftees in UK his job, his reputation and other Ulamah with him...

Last year similar issues with Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat (HA), no details necessary!

A few years ago it was Shaykh (Maulana) Riyadhul-Haq (HA), no details necessary!

The problem is that these Mashaykh are very nice people and they don’t want to create a problem and Tassawuff itself believes in “don’t rock the boat” scenario.

Shaykh (Mufti) Yusuf Sacha (HA) was the FIRST ONE to publicly ditch Darul-uloom Dewsbury and break away.

Next in line is probably Shaykhul-Hadeeth (Maulana) Bilal Saheb (HA) and then sooner or later it will be Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat (HA) as he has already broken away on Fajar & Esha Salah issue and took the wrath of Gujrati community in Leicester about his Esha times!

These Ulamah know that credibility of Ulamah is on the line, for the time being laymen are simply saying “I don’t understand this and I follow Ulamah” but many are confronting the issue and forced to “think” about it.

Majority of people in UK don’t follow Saudia anymore, apart from Salafees (who will NEVER break away) its Deobandees who are sticking to it.

Few things will happen in the future:

1. Saudia will be FORCED to correct itself. You have no idea how much pressure they are under from Arabs in the Middle-East
2. Pressure on NOT following Saudia will become unbearable as technology will spread this matter far wand wide so laymen will (and are) breaking away. So far it has reached a point where no Mashaykh prevent their Mureeds from “not following Saudia”.
3. More Ulamah will defect. The Gujrati community is very “communal” in their approach so the “Batley effect” will occur in other cities across UK.

The only Ulamah who will stick to Saudia amongst Deobandees till death are “Pakistani Ulamah” and I don’t want to go into it. Gujrati Ulamah & Mashaykh will break away from this sooner or later one by one, trust me.

Gujrati Ulamah and their Darul-ulooms (in India or UK) don’t have the intrinsic links with Saudia as Pakistanees do so its mere “communal spirit” which is holding them to this position e.g. we have always done it, the whole community does it, Hazrat said this, Shaykh does this etc etc etc...

THIS isn't an issue of Fiqh or Shariah, its an issue of Politics!

You can print it and read this post when it happens.





 

Asslamo Allaikum,

Last year I was speaking to a young brother and we were discussing "Pro-Active" and Academically gifted deobandi Ulamah and I made the point when you look at them, you will see 95% following wifaq (or agreeing with it) and against Saudi sighting even when they are outside of UK.

• Khulafa of Shaykh (Hakeem Akhtar Saheb (HA)) and Mashaykh of their Silsila: Wifaq and Anti-Saudi Sighting
• Khulafa of Shaykh (Zulfiqar Naqshbandi (HA)) and Mashaykh of their Silsila: Wifaq and Anti-Saudi Sighting
• Khulafa of Shaykh (Maulana Hasan Tai (HA)) and Mashaykh of their Silsila: Wifaq and Anti-Saudi Sighting
• Khulafa & Ulamah of Shaykh (Mufti Ebrahim Desai(HA)) and all South African Ulamah: Wifaq and Anti-Saudi Sighting
• American Ulamah & deobandees: 100% Anti-Saudi Sighting
• Canadian Ulamah & deobandees: 100% Anti-Saudi Sighting
• Shaykhul-Hadeeth Maulana Bilal Saheb (HA), students, Khulafa and people in his Silsila: Pro-Wifaq
• Shaykh (Maulana) Abu Yusuf Riyadhul-Haq (HA): Pro-Wifaq
• Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat (HA): Pro-Wifaq
• Shaykhul-Hadeeth Maulana Iqbal Rangooni Saheb (HA): Wifaq and Anti-Saudi Sighting
• Shaykh (Mufti) Yusuf Sacha (HA): Wifaq and Anti-Saudi Sighting
• Ulamah of Batley: Wifaq and Anti-Saudi Sighting
• Shaykh (Maulana) Yakuq Wasmi (HA): Wifaq and Anti-Saudi Sighting
• Shaykh (Mufti) Yusuf Danke (HA)/Croydon: Wifaq and Anti-Saudi Sighting
• And most importantly, 95+% of all new deobandi graduates.

Off course I have left many names out but if you are connected with or Bay't to any of the Mashaykh (ones in RED) and personally close to them, you are free to engage them and they will tell you their position and personal inclination very clearly. Publicly they may say "Ulamah on both sides so follow your Mosque, which is fair enough for laymen"

Hazrat (Maulana) Bilal Saheb will off course tell you in public and private the same thing! :-)

Jazakullah Khairun

Asslamo Allaikum,

You are REJECTING the unanimous opinion of Major Ulamah and Deobandi institues around the world and you are comforting your mind at ease "by saying I am following Ulamah".

And that’s because psychologically you don’t want to confront the question, “Why is my Shaykh rejecting all these Fatwaas?”

Off course you won't admit it but the fact is you are tossing aside a unified position based on "politics".

Asslamo Allaikum,

Done push this because some of these Muslims are extremely nice people and what they are trying to do is “not to be in the wrong and blame any side” and we should respect that.

We went to Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat’s Academy and discussed the matter with Mufti ABC and he was thinking along similar lines.

As a laymen I understand Aap’s stance and “technically” when she meets Allah (SWT) she is absolved if she says, “I followed Ulamah”. She has secured her religion, if she is sinecere and we can't doubt the sincerity of a Muslim.

Her Secondary responsibility is to assist in solving the situation in UK and that depends on her understanding and Taqwa.

All we can do is to highlight matters and make duas.

It is  a monumental achievement that they have realised the Hizbul-Ulamah and Maulana Miftaahi (HA) are lying and slandering Ulamah and Mashaykh in order to peddle this “Pro-Saudia” stance!

Their next graduation would be to understand that, "They are falling out of Taqleed of Hanafi Madhab by following Saudia"

Asslamo Allaikum,

You are jumping the gun!

I didn't say that they are insincere and hypocritical by being coerced and forced into this position. This is a discussion of Fiqh and they are relenting due to a “Fiqh position” and if they didn’t see the “get out clause” they wouldn’t!

Make dua for me on the day when you do discover what’s happening behind the scenes because its clear that you don’t.

Its clear that you don't know what Shaykh (Maulana) Saleem Dhorat Saheb (HA) is going through.

Jazakullah Khairun