Woman Drivers in Islam!

I honestly feel that students graduating from madrasah's should spend 1-3 years travelling connecting communicating with the ummah, so they get some true real world experience [tajurba], does not matter even if they have studied under the best of teachers...because until they themselves have gyaan and not rely on borrowed things - they'll keep coming up with such stuff ^

This graduating from the madrasah to the mimbar is causing tremendous harm to the ummah. Look at our own so called 'Deobandi' ulamah - after cussing Barelwis they graduated to La Madhabis, and after that they are cussing their own Deobandi colleagues..

Seems like, there will be a time when in a far off village, children unintentionally unknowingly swear, abuse, cuss and, mothers will hush them by saying:

"Wallah, since when have you begun to use such kind of language, will you grow up to become a Deobandi?!!"     

This post has ruffled a lot of feathers, hence I have decided that I'll email the Majlis straight up and delete all my posts on them here. Starting now, Deobandis have no rights whatsoever to accuse Barelwis & Salafis of unfair behavior.

Mods, I request you to please delete the post altogether and re-open the topic.

IF there is a Scholar who is actually teaching this then other Ulamah really need to review what is being taught in our Darul-ulooms!

Canadians don't have a sense of humour, eh?

I don't think that Shaykh (Maulana) A.S. Desai (HA) is evil or a CIA agent but I do believe that his Fatwaas should be challenged and explained by the Ulamah in order to avoid confusion.

In this instance he has taken a statement which Ibn Abideen (Allamah) Shami (RA) a giant of the Madhab has clearly written to be without proof, he has presented it as a Hadeeth and extrapolated a certain meaning from it. His works full of half-headeeths and very few references and I did ask Hazrat (HA) as to why he doesn't reference his Fatwaas and his response is that he heard these from his Akabir.

There are many Muftees who disagree with Shaykh (Maulana) A.S. Desai (HA)'s approach and dismiss his work outright. In fact there are not that many Ulamah who actually take his Fatwaas as a standard for Academic excellence. But what we have is a bunch of laymen having a cult like following around Hazrat.

Even the most ardent (South African) Deobandees don’t regard his Fatwaas as Academically robust, they respect him for his age, his companionship and studying with the major Akabir, his Taqwa, his abstinence from doubtful matters. All of this is (Alhumdolillah) good, however these Fatwaas and writings should be challenged.

That leaves me as to why I don’t want to send an email to Hazrat (RA)? There are a few reasons:

1. I am not a Alim (never even claimed it) and it doesn't matter how right I am Hazrat (HA) will dismiss it, Ulamah will dismiss it, layment will dismiss it so its an exercise in futility
2. My mother is old and seriously ill with cancer and it will really hurt me to get her labelled as a woman of foul character by the “South African Mafia” because from my observation and interaction it isn’t possible to have any discussion with South African before its gets personal and hurtful and I don’t get hurtful with people and the womenfolk of their families. Academic discussions and disputes are a thing of life, you may be wrong or you may be right but when your mother, sister, daughter, wife gets dragged into these issues its painful.

Here is a longwinded and robust discussion with Shaykh (Mufti) Abdur-Rahman Limbada (HA) of UK and I sustained it because I knew that there is nowhere Hazrat will get personal or insulting...he will either set me straight or agree to disagree or if something happens I can call upon him and he will give me an opportunity to apologise.

I am extremely Sorry to say but discussions are just not possible with South African Ulamah (not all but many) and even if you make a mistake seeking an apology is also out of question.  Once you have had, you are labelled and that’s the end of the matter.

This Fatwa shouldn’t have reached MS but Ulamah (of South Africa) should have clarified it. Never been to South Africa but listening to Cii (it seems) there are women (including some female Scholars in SA) who drive.

Unneeded please delete.

The part of him that accuses other Deo & Non Deo Ulamah's [forget the laymen] of KUFR [Nothing gets bigger than that] by citing ambigious statements or no proofs at all is EVIL EVIL EVIL. 

Not only is it EVIL - Its plain outright MISCHIEF.

Why don't people get it - This WILL cause polarization, divisions in an already divided Ummah.

You don't need to be an Aalim to get this..

And if you think I'm only doing this because he accused Ml Tariq Jameel of Kufr - then I'm not - Ml TJ is no angel that he can't commit mistakes, and if you think he has, then BRING THE PROOF'S, so that people can show that to him and get an explanation - APPLY SAME PRINCIPLE TO MANY THINGS / PEOPLE A S Desai Saheb has accused of committing Kufr.

KUFR, no less. Wallah.  

Ulamah's to handle this? 

Br Abu Mohammed or anyone else, even Br Brooklyn - can someone get me a statement of an Deobandi Aalim of SA or UK or anyone who has adviced / condemned A S Desai Saheb's behavior / actions?

All we get when we come up with this is that A S Desai Saheb is verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry pious, pious this, pious that - so what's the deal, does that give him a leeway to accuse everyone under the sun with KUFR? Speaking up only results in threads closed or deleted - THIS, believe me, THIS will only result in more opposition.   

Such behaviour, ladies and gentlemen, you will see for yourself will result in the funeral of Deoband.

Speak up for Allah's sake.

Stop being cultists. 

Is there a bigger cuss word that can be used against a Muslim than calling a KAFIR, a DISBELIEVER ?! Let me know for in India even the Hindus get offended.

And br Abu, I'm not backbiting, I'm just telling his acolytes that he is wrong.

Deobandis VS Deobandis - here we come, courtesy A S Desai Saheb.

(p.s: And people have the gall to post his fatwas and opinions here & elsewhere - and if they do they should be ready to take the heat)

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