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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2013 16:19
Even if you get a disagree...don't feel disheartened, it's an open forum, open to sharing and voicing opinions and thoughts, whether we agree or disagree, sometimes it's just a matter of agreeing to disagree, at times members learn from each other and opinions tend to change, we all have different understandings and views so we can't expect to agree on all issues all of the time, but the forum gives us an opportunity and freedom to share and speak.
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2013 16:19
@xs11ax, inshaAllah, when time permits, I will edit your posts and insert the quotes correctly.

Brother you are correct, Alhumdulillah. But the message seems like you are saying that we need to try our skills on "trained" fighters, i.e. look for a fight. The only time and place one will know is when the situation arises.

I didn't waste money at alll, I was fortunate my uncle was my sifu. But yes, it is about time the Muslims had their own martial arts training facility in most mosques. But once again, the committee members would never allow such a thing even if we gave them all the Daleel in the world.

I guess its down to courageous parents like sister taalibah who have taken the step in the right direction.
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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2013 21:20

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Brother you are correct, Alhumdulillah. But the message seems like you are saying that we need to try our skills on "trained" fighters, i.e. look for a fight. The only time and place one will know is when the situation arises.[/quote]

i am not saying go around looking for a fight. my message is very simple. i think i have adequately explained it in previous posts. please read them again then if there is something you do not understand then ask me for clarification.

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I didn't waste money at alll, I was fortunate my uncle was my sifu. But yes, it is about time the Muslims had their own martial arts training facility in most mosques. But once again, the committee members would never allow such a thing even if we gave them all the Daleel in the world.[/quote]

there are many things people do that the masajid do not cater for. if the masajid do not help then there are many gyms a person can go to.

[quote]I guess its down to courageous parents like sister taalibah who have taken the step in the right direction.


mashallah.

i asked you a question brother. you said...

[quote]I use wing chun but not in the traditional way. In fact I forgot almost everything. But when it comes to the crunch, by the will of Allah, I would be able to defend myself to the end. My advantages are the short range fast power punches. I can punch a brick wall ten times in less than ten seconds with more power than a boxer would be able to throw five punches. So if I had to get upclose, it would be to my benefit unless the other guy was a grappler. boxers have power in their arms, so I would in effect attack the arms more than the body to weaken them and then go for the face and body.


question was...

have you actually tested this out in a (as close as possible) real fight against a boxer who has trained in his discipline for the same amount of time you trained and who is in a similar body condition as yours?
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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2013 21:28
Sorry brother, I did understand your question and didn't answer because I already said that I've only had a couple of fights in school only.

Only time will tell!

As long as I have Iman before and after the fight I will be happy inshaAllah.

I'd obviously want to win ;-)
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2013 21:39
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so how can you say how you will perform against a boxer if you have never fought with a boxer before?

how can you devise a tactic of getting in close to a boxer and striking with fast punches if you have never fought with a boxer before?

if you dont mind me asking, how old are you brother?
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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2013 21:45
Akhi, we don't need to go out fighting to see if we can or can't defend ourselves. Training is one thing, being put into a real life situation is one thing and practicing is one thing. In real life situations, everything we learn goes straight out of the window.

(I'm the same age as you roughly.)

No matter how good one may be, but he/she is only as good as his/her last fight.
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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2013 21:46
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd September 2013 11:47
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Akhi, we don't need to go out fighting to see if we can or can't defend ourselves.[/quote]

i am not saying we should go out fighting. not once have i said that. i am saying that if you want to learn how to fight then you need to put your skills to the test which will help you understand what works and what does not work, and will also help you understand what to expect when in an actual fight. to do this i am not telling anyone to go off looking for a fight. what i am advocating is to train in a safe environment around experienced instructors who watch over you while you engage in full contact sparring. the best place for this in the uk is in a good MMA gym.

maybe you do not understand what to expect in an MMA gym? you will be fully supervised by an experienced instructor. you will not be sent into the cage on your first lesson. you will be given training and guidance and only when the experienced instructor thinks you are ready, you will be sent in the cage for full combat sparring. you will be wearing padded gloves to avoid serious injury to each other. you will be wearing gum shields to protect your teeth. you can wear a head guard as well if you like. you can even wear shin pads. the whole fight will be supervised. there will not be any danger of serious injury. you might sustain minor injury, but to be honest, if you are learning how to fight and dont sustain minor injuries then you might as well give up. i have been sparring in an MMA gym since ramadhan finished. the only injury i have sustained is some tissue damage on my left arm which will heal in about a week inshallah.

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Training is one thing, being put into a real life situation is one thing and practicing is one thing. In real life situations, everything we learn goes straight out of the window.


this is true when it comes to traditional martial arts. no one has time to even think about pulling of the complicated flowery techniques taught in traditional martial arts when faced with a non passive opponent. but this is not true when it comes to MMA. the techniques taught in MMA are straight to the point. and we know these work because MMA is tested in the ring/cage against non passive opponents.

[quote]No matter how good one may be, but he/she is only as good as his/her last fight.


which in MMA is constantly tested.
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd September 2013 11:49

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What are your thoughts on Karv Maga?

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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd September 2013 11:50
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this goes for everything in life, but as i was replying in a martial arts thread i discussed martial arts.
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd September 2013 11:50
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Jazakallah, much better. Now I see what you mean
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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd September 2013 11:53
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i dont have much experience about with krav maga expect from what i have read, and it seems to be a very respected martial art even amongst MMA fighters.

it seems the principle of krav maga is similar to MMA.
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd September 2013 12:00
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brother, for your own understanding, spar just ONE round with a boxer or MMA fighter. this will help understand much better what i am trying to say. i have not been training in MMA for long and it really opened my eyes and was very humbling.
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd September 2013 12:18
one clarification...

MMA is practiced in a controlled setting to avoid fatalities and serious injuries, so it has some limitations. the limitations are not many. there is no biting, finger gouging, eye gouging, striking the throat, hair/clothes pulling, small joint manipulation (i.e fingers) in MMA. (but you will rarely encounter most of these on the streets against untrained/inexperienced fighters.) also MMA is practiced with padded gloves. you will not find these limitations on the streets so you should train for this in your own time. also train to punch without padded gloves to strengthen your fists and wrists. apart from that i do not recall any other limitations in MMA.
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 23rd September 2013 20:23
Jazakallah for the tip. InshaAllah might try it one day. One of the members here is a boxer, pretty tough one too, inshaAllah will give a go one day.

With regards to gloves, that doesn't bother me, I practiced on walls so my knuckles are pretty tuff. Even in college and uni, I would never demonstrate on an individual directly except for the one inch punch on the arm. My demos were always on the brick wall or partitioned walls. I used to give a good show, but as you rightfully point out, I need to get into a real life situation to really know.

Jazakallah
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