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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 20th January 2011 23:47

Muslim Chinese martial arts have a long history in China, and many Muslims have participated at the highest level of Chinese martial arts. However, the Qing Dynasty persecutions greatly stimulated the practise of martial arts among Chinese Muslims. The Hui started and adapted many of the styles of wushu such as Bajiquan, Piguaquan, Liu He Quan, and other styles. There were specific areas known to be centers of Muslim martial arts, such as Cang County in Hebei Province. These traditional Chinese martial arts were very distinct from the Turkic styles practised in East Turkistan.

 

Bajiquan

Bajiquan ("eight extreme fists") was first recorded as being practiced by Wu Zhong, a Hui Muslim from Meng Village in Cang County in Hebei Province during the early Qing Dynasty. According to tradition, Wu was taught the style by a Taoist priest Lai, and his disciple Pi.

It is believed that at this time, Bajiquan and Piguaquan (chop-hanging palm) were taught together, or may even have been one style. However, after Wu Zhong's death, his eldest daughter Wu Rong married a man in Luotong village, Cang county. For some reason she only taught Pigua, and in the Meng village they only taught Baji.

A few generations later the teaching of the arts was recombined by Li Shuwen (1864 AD-1934 AD). Nicknamed "God of Spear" for his outstanding ability with the spear, Li Shuwen learned Bajiquan from Jin Diansheng in Meng village, and piguazhang from Huang Sihai in Luotong village. Li had many famous students, including Huo Diange, his first disciple, who was bodyguard to Pu Yi, the last Qing Emperor. Huo Diange (and most of Li Shuwen's other disciples) were not Hui, however.

Li's last closed-door disciple was Liu Yunqiao (1909-1992) (also not Hui), who he taught for ten years before his death. Liu was already proficient in long fist and Mizongquan (lost track fist).

Bodyguards of Sun Yat-Sen, Chiang Kai-shek and Mao Zedong were students of grandmaster Liu. One famous disciple of Liu in the west is Adam Hsu.

Bajiquan is sometimes considered an internal system, in that sense more closely related to taijiquan than Shaolin. It is a compact and devastating system, featuring much stamping and weight changing , as well as its own special method of generating power.

Although bajiquan is no longer practiced exclusively by Hui, there are still many famous Hui practitioners of the style today, including Wu Lianzhi (the lineage holder of the style from Meng Village), Ma Xianda, Ma Lingda, Ma Mingda, and others.

Zhaquan

Zhaquan or Chaquan is an Islamic longfist (Northern Shaolin) style said to be created by a Muslim named Zhamir (Chinese: 查密尔) who came from Xinjiang in the Ming Dynasty. Widely practiced throughout China, but particularly in Shandong and Henan, Zhaquan features graceful, extended movements, as well as various acrobatic maneuvers and many weapons. The Shandong styles are sometimes divided up into three families: Zhang, Yang, and Li. Zhaquan training includes 10 lines of Tantui (Chinese: 十路彈腿) (see below), 10 forms of Zhaquan (Chinese: 十路查拳), and many other forms in its curriculum (which vary by style).

Famous Hui exponents of this style include those from ancient times, such as Zheng He, an admiral of the Ming Dynasty, as well as famous practitioners in modern times, like Wang Ziping, Ma Jinbiao, and Zhang Wenguang (who was instrumental in created the modern wushu version of Changquan). Still widely practiced by Chinese Muslims, the style nevertheless is now popular with non-Muslim Chinese as well.

Qishiquan

Also known as Qishiquan (Chinese: 七士拳 - "the seven warriors"). Originally the name memorialized the seven imams of Islam, but was altered to the seven forms. Starting among Muslims in Henan, it eventually reached Shanxi. The style, as the name implies, is based on seven essential postures from which sets are constructed. Unfortunately, however, the style is becoming increasingly rare and very few people practice it.

Huihui Shiba Zhou

Huihui Shiba Zhou (Chinese: 回回十八肘 - "Hui elbow eighteen style") was so secret that it was considered completely lost. That was until 1970 when researches found a teacher Ju Kui who knew the style. Ju Kui born 1886 was from a Hui family in Hebei. At age six he started learning from Sun Dekui of Dezhou, Shandong. He trained for 17 years learning 19 types of martial arts. At the age of 33 he also tried to improve himself by studying with Yang Wanlu an imam from the Tong Shou Mosque.

Xinyiliuhequan

Xinyiliuhequan (Chinese: 心意六合拳 - "Mind, Intention and Six Harmonies Fist") is a martial art that developed in Henan Province among the Hui people. It is considered one of the most powerful and fighting-oriented styles of Chinese Martial Arts, and for a long time it has been known for its effectiveness in fighting, while very few actually knew the practice methods of the style. Xinyiliuhequan, along with Zhaquan and Qishiquan (Boxing of Seven Postures), have been considered Jiaomenquan (Chinese: 教門拳, "religious - i.e. Muslim - boxing") meant to protect followers of Islam in China.

Although practiced and preserved by the Chinese Muslim community in Henan, the style is recognized to be originated by Ji Longfeng (also known as Ji Jike ) of Shanxi province. The Shanxi transmission of this art is carried by the Dai family and transmitted to Li Luoneng, who modified the style more or less into the modern Xingyi practiced widely in Shanxi and Hebei. Since the Dai style Xinyi contains practice originated from the Dai family, the transmission within the Muslim community is considered the most conserved lineage.

Xinyiliuhequan's practice methods are not numerous compared to other styles, and include ten big shapes (Chinese: 十大形), four seizes (Chinese: 四把), single seize (Chinese: 單把), and so on. The style favors close-range tactics, such as shoulder strikes.

For more than two centuries the style had been kept secret and transmitted only to very few Muslim practitioners. Only at the beginning of this century Han Chinese began to learn the style, but even today, many of the most skillful experts of Xiniliuhequan can be found within Hui communities in China, especially in Henan Province. In modern times, however, the style has been transmitted to Han Chinese as well, especially in Shanghai through Lu Songgao. The style is considered to have two main branches, the Lushan style and the Luoyang style; the latter style is still comparatively rare outside of Hui communities.

Piguaquan

A group of school children practice martial arts formation under the watch of their teacher in the Great Mosque of Xi'an.

Piguaquan ("chopping and hanging fist"). It is generally believed to have been founded by Wu Zhong, a Chinese Muslim from Meng Village, Cang County, Hebei Province. Wu initially learned the two styles from two Daoist monks Lai and Pi in 1727. Wu then taught his style to his daughter Wu Rong. She is considered to be the second-generation master of this style. She married and taught her martial art to her husband. Her husband and she taught their style as two separate systems: baji and pigua. They only taught piguaquan to her students in the Luo Tong village and the Bajiquan style was taught only at Meng village. Piguaquan is now widely practiced all over China, and features long-arm swinging and chopping techniques, some of which have been adapted and included in modern wushu forms (for example, wulongpanda (Chinese: 烏龍盤打)).

Famous Hui practitioners of Piguaquan today include Ma Xianda, Ma Lingda, and Ma Mingda.

Tantui

Tantui ("flicking or spring leg") is a style originally from Turpan usually used as basic training for Zhaquan (see above). Originally, there were 28 lines of tantui, one for each letter of the Arabic alphabet; however, later on, the last 18, which were comparatively complex, were merged into two forms called Tuiquanshi (Chinese: 腿拳勢), still practiced in Zhaquan.

Tantui has been adapted and modified by many other styles of martial arts for basic training, including other styles of changquan, the Song style of xingyiquan, and others. Tantui also exists as its own style in Shandong province (where it is written as Chinese: 潭腿, not 彈腿, however).

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 20th January 2011 23:49
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 21st January 2011 00:02
Brings back some great memories!

This should be taught in our Masjids just as the Sahabah would train for self defence.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 21st January 2011 11:45
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 21st January 2011 14:03

"Muadh_Khan" wrote:

Asslamo Allaikum,

How about Silat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silat

Awesome, JazakAllah.

Silat Kalam: Islamic Martial Art

A Malaysian Art Tied Closely to the Religion of Islam

By Antonio Graceffo

Guru Mazlan Man stood in a neutral stance, hands at his side, feet side by side, a natural and relaxed stance, which is the starting point of all Silat Kalam movements. I threw a punch at his face. He blocked my punching arm, knocking it skyward. Next, he drove his knee into the tendons at the back of my knee joint. He was only going at a quarter speed, but the pain was incredible. After 50 years of martial art practice, the Guru was perfect. In every movement, I could feel his bones cutting through my flesh and digging into my nerves.

He placed his shin bone against the back of my knee and leaned forward. I had no choice but to fall down, on one knee. Next, he stomped down hard on my calf muscle which was flat on the ground. Then he backhanded me in the face, and I fell backward. My body was completely locked. My own natural skeletal structure had betrayed me. The only way I could stand back up was if the Guru removed his foot from my calf muscle and then reached a hand down, to help me stand.

This was Silat Kalam, an art designed to completely subdue an attacker, but never to be used as an attack.  

“I breath because of God. I drink because of God. I eat because of God. I practice Silat because of God.” This is a portion of the mantra which Guru Mazlan Man had the students recite on a daily basis. He explained his philosophy this way. “We must remember that we only do things because of God. And if we only do things because of God, we will not do bad things. You cannot say, I steal because of God.”

In the west, when people hear the word Guru, they associate it with some new age religion or Hindu philosophy. But in Malaysia, the word Guru simply means teacher or master. And it is the name applied to all martial arts teachers.

Everyday, the students met in a community meeting room of a government building in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. The lead student, Fami, called us to attention, “Kalam sedia!”  The students immediately brought their hands up to prayer position and began reciting their devotions. They give thanks for their health and strength and for the opportunity to practice martial art. Then they remind themselves that they practice martial art because of God.

After a brief warm-up and stretching, the students started into the buah, or choreographed sets of movements. Silat Kalam has 28 buah

Silat Kalam is essentially a grappling art. Because the art is strictly for defense, each of the buah, or series of movements, begins with an opponent attacking you. You block, using one of four basic blocks, and then throw and lock the opponent. The locks put the opponent on the ground, tied up like a pretzel. At the least, the opponent is submitted. But a slight twist or variation in the throw or lock could severely cripple or even kill the opponent.

Unlike submissions in other arts, the locks in Silat Kalam are completely impossible to break out of.

The Guru told me once, “If a man walks into your school and challenges you to a fight, don’t accept him as a student.” A man like that has something to prove, or he isn’t a good person. “If you accept him as a student, remember, that when he throws you and locks you, you will be completely helpless.”

The Guru is over sixty years old, but when he has me in a lock, I am truly incapacitated, completely unable to escape, and as he says, totally helpless.

I was the first non-Muslim to ever be permitted to study Silat Kalam. It was a great honor and also an incredible cultural experience. Each day, I met the Guru for training and also for lessons about the religion. He never asked me to convert, only to learn.

He told me. “We are all children of Adam, children of God. God made us all different, so we can learn from each other and love one another. He does not want us to fight or quarrel among ourselves. If you were a father, would you want your children to kill one another?”

When I reminded him that I am Catholic, not Muslim, he said. “When I teach you, I only talk about God. When we talk about God, everyone is happy. It is only when we talk about religion that people get angry.”

Guru Mazlan Man described Silat Kalam in this manner. “Silat kalam is a martial art where you never use a lot of force or movement. And each movement is based on the position of the prayers, the position of where you pray to God.”

The first eleven buah are based on “Dua” which literally means “to give thanks.” It is the first prayer position, where the hands come up, with the palms facing the sky. This is the first movement of more than one third of the buah. It is fitting that Dua plays so prominently in an art which asks you to remember who gave you your strength and your health. A man strikes you. You block by bringing your hands up in prayer position, knocking his elbow straight up. Each block is always followed by a strike. Since you have knocked his arm skyward, the rib cage and under arm are vulnerable. You can move in with a knee or elbow strike, or a simple punch. The palm of your hand is making contact with his elbow, so after you strike him, you can grab the elbow and pull in whatever direction you want him to go. The Guru would often grab the elbow, pull the man towards him and then deliver a karate chop to the man’s forearm.

When I was on the receiving end, I was amazed at how painful that chop was. Just like in Brazilian jujitsu where you may strike a man simply to distract him and go for a submission, the same is true in Silat Kalam. When you karate chop a man’s arm, it hurts intensely, but only for a split second. So, that chop is not a fight ending technique. But during that split second of intense pain, the man loses his will to struggle. You chop his arm, and immediately go for the throw or the lock. In one of the boa, you chop the arm, which knocks it toward the ground. You simultaneously grab the elbow or upper arm and continue to pull the man to the ground, Then you step on his hand. You release that arm and lock his other arm. Now, he is completely helpless, and in incredible pain.

For the full series. You simply lean forward with your knee against his elbow, breaking his arm.

In many forms of Silat that I have seen, once you have the man “where you want him” you go nuts with overkill and devastating force. Picture this boa, the man’s hand is under your foot. You have just broken his arm with your knee. You control his other arm. You place your knee on the back of his neck, and drive his face into the ground. His other arm is now in a very unnatural and vulnerable position, so you break it. Then you finish with any number of locks, grapples, kicks, punches….

And that is just one of the buah.

As violent and potentially lethal as the art is, it is still strictly defensive all buah begin with a man attacking you, not the reverse.

“The movement of Kalam is art.” Says the Guru. “You will never attack anyone. Practicing Kalam softens your kindness toward human beings. There is no more quarrel. And that is how God teaches us to be all of the time. So, Silat Kalam takes the position to teach people to know each other, love each other, and to learn self defense.”

Guru believes that we should never hate another person for his actions because people are basically good.  

“Our enemy is not people, our enemy is satan. Satan always wants to attack us, wants to kill us, fighting each other. So, we must live peacefully. And when we have self-defense, no one can attack us, nobody can harm us, and we will always be a friend to every body.”

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2013 22:33
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i have tried a handful of traditional martial arts when i was younger and i can safely say that every single one of them was a waste of time and money in the sense of actually learning how to fight. i learnt more by brawling on the streets. i dont know if this is down to the teacher or the fighting style itself or some other factor, but this is the case. i have even come across people who advertise martial arts training, but then say it is just for sport, exercise and coordination etc and not for actual combat. this is fine if thats what you want to learn, but if you want to learn real combat then you need to find someone that can teach you how to fight. and the ONLY way to learn how to fight is to actually fight - give a beating and take a beating - instead of just learning forms and techniques without actual combat which is how most traditional martial arts are taught. MOST 'traditional' football hooligans/thugs/street figheters will EASILY take most people who train in local traditional martial arts clubs. football hooligans/thugs/street fighters etc are not trained fighters, but they are certainly experienced fighters. they know what to expect when going into a fight and are not afraid of taking a beating, and more importantly, giving a beating. it is probably easier for someone with no real fighting experience to take a beating than to give a beating. because they are just not psychologically prepared for it. it is not easy to pummel a person black, blue and bloody if you have not even come close to doing anything like this.

i am not advocating mindless street violence. but if you send your kids to the local karate dojo, then dont be surprised if you find out he got beaten up by the school bully. i have come across many similar cases. if you really want to teach your kids or yourself how to fight, then you would be much better of with a boxing gym where the students actually have full contact fights. even better would be training in full contact mixed martial arts. you can also incorporate other hard styles into your mma such as boxing, kick boxing etc. whatever you are comfortable with. you can even incorporate your traditional martial arts into mma, but you will soon find that most of the things you have learnt in traditional martial arts are useless in full contact mma. traditional martial arts may be good if taught correctly in the way it was intended to be taught, but from what i have seen most of the stuff we come across is rubbish.

there is a VERY GRAPHIC video on youtube which very adequately illustrates the point i am trying to make. the video consists of a mentally challenged man who is NOT a fighter go against an ex-marine karate instructor, who i believe is beyond black belt at least. the karate instructor wins the fight, but the point is that eventually the instructor forgets about using his karate techniques when he realises how ineffective they are (even against an untrained non-fighter) and starts brawling and grappling like any other untrained street fighter/thug/hooligan. this is what most full contact fights boil down to. a lot of brawling and grappling. techniques usually go out of the window.

like i said, maybe if traditional martial arts are taught in the manner they were intended and consists of full contact combat then they may be effective. but as they stand in most places this is not the case and are usually a waste of time and money. instead, opt for something like boxing and mma or any other full contact martial arts for you and your children if you want your training to be effective and come into use someday.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2013 22:39
@ xs11ax, have you ever tried 'tang soo do' it's a martial art but it's forms are very different from judo, etc
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2013 22:42
Well, fighting aside, I think some form of defense training is a must for us sisters. I took some TKD and I don't remember much... same thing goes for CPR training. Until you are faced with the situation, or unless you've trained in real-life types of simulations, or unless you diligently repeat what you've learned every so often, it is really difficult to recall what to do and freeze up in situations where freezing like a stunned goat is not a good thing.

With regards to TKD, I was happy when we got to start sparring but even then, the rules were so strict that it was very difficult to just go at it without having to be mindful of what you're doing (keeping in mind that this was only at about the green belt level all-women's class).

I recall some TKD schools don't even allow contact sparring... which is a waste of time and money for sure... fighting with air.
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2013 22:44
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yes i have done. its a korean martial art i believe. i trained in tang soo do for about a year when i was around 20 years old. i found it to be the best traditional martial art from the other variants which i tried out. but this could be just down to the teacher. in my opinion a lot of the stuff taught in tang soo do will just not work in a real fight. but thats just my opinion.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2013 22:46
I agree anything below full contact is useless, simply put your just wasting your time, sadly a lot of these arts put you in a illusion that if your proficient enough you'll be able to pull it off on the street, it's not always the case. Try to do a flying arm bar in the street ? Lol exactly.

For kids to learn something like judo etc is useless as the moves done are halfly done, they don't learn how to throw someone at that time and many spend years attaining belts but can't look after themselves in the school playground, however for adults it's good especially if you combine it with something attacking like Muay Thai etc

However they all shouldn't be written off as a lot of specialist personnel use them, however it's often mixed and matched rather than just sticking to one.

Another under rated art Muslim art is stick fighting otherwise known as Filipino martial arts, punches seem slow after you get used to the speed of sticks, however I'm not a fan of the fancy knife disarms.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2013 22:49
I would say the most beneficial part of what little TKD training I received was discovering how to punch and kick with little effort but huge impact. That was an amazing discovery for me - teachers say it but until you do it, you just don't understand. And, once you do it, you are blown away that you had it in you.
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2013 22:49
I would say the most beneficial part of what little TKD training I received was discovering how to punch and kick with little effort but huge impact. That was an amazing discovery for me - teachers say it but until you do it, you just don't understand. And, once you do it, you are blown away that you had it in you. At least that is something that could, if harnessed properly and repeated often, could be powerful if ever it is necessary for a sister - may Allah Ta'aala protect us and not make it necessary. Ameen. Same goes for brothers.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 21st September 2013 23:04
for very young kids, start them off with some sort of grappling. brazilian jiu jitsu/gracie jiu jitsu would be ideal. even traditional jiu jitsu or judo would be ok as a starter. but the emphasis should not be just about learning techniques. the emphasis should be on actually grappling/wrestling. this will build a LOT of strength in their muscles and tendons/ligaments inshallah.

as they get a bit older then let them carry on with the wrestling with bjj/gjj. make sure the gym actually makes all out wrestle otherwise it would be a waste of time. introduce a full contact striking art as well. something that trains legs as well as fists would be better such as muy thai/kick boxing. if thats not possible then boxing is okay as well, but it is limited as they do not use kicks/knees. in either case the emphasis should be on a good gym/coach and full contact sparing. when they are old enough sign them up to a good mma gym where they will use and improve upon their grappling and striking knowledge, and be able to spar with the least possible rules in a gym setting - they will be able to use punches, elbows, kicks, knees, grappling/wrestling, takedowns, submissions - more or less everything!

many of the kids that train in the gym i go to come from traditional martial arts backgrounds. they soon realise they have wasted their money and time with traditional martial arts. if anyone living up north is interested, this is the gym i go to... kbwcombat.co.uk/ (Khalid Bin Walid) i dont know if it is the best gym around, but it is good and it is the only segregated gym i have found in this area.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2013 00:32
Great post from everyone, MashaAllah.

I would love to comment on every post with the pros and cons, inshaAllah some other time.

Anyways, when I was a school kid, I would get bullied around occasionally and I never did anything about it. I guess I was humble back then too. But I did get into fights if they were started by the other person and if it got serious and I would make sure I finished it off, Alhumdulillah. But I always remained calm and never wanted trouble. For this reason, the kids thought I was scared. However, I didn't want to have the same impression in college, so I actually started giving demos in the canteen. Especially with the one inch punch, awesome. And the way I would demonstrate would either punch on the chest with a book in front or on the wall. The wall was my favourite. I never needed to have any fights after school to date, Alhumdulillah. But I honestly found "wing chun" to be very powerful for smaller and weaker people, which has devastating effects if you are stronger.

As the brother said, grappling is very important, because everyone gets down eventually.

I would highly recommend wing chun as a self defense and if used correctly it would also be a powerful combat method.

Boxing is also very good to learn.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 22nd September 2013 00:55
here is a 1 hour video of various wing chun martial artists Vs different fighters from a grappling/mma background. please watch it and make up your own mind.

youtube.com/watch?v=czDuH0R73kg
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