In simpler words you can eat BACON or SMOKE SHEESHA or DRINK ALCOHOL and they are all the same in terms of a sin i.e. HARAM![/quote]
BACON:
إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ عَلَيۡڪُمُ ٱلۡمَيۡتَةَ وَٱلدَّمَ وَلَحۡمَ ٱلۡخِنزِيرِ
He hath forbidden you only carrion, and blood, and swineflesh
Surah 2, Verse 173
حُرِّمَتۡ عَلَيۡكُمُ ٱلۡمَيۡتَةُ وَٱلدَّمُ وَلَحۡمُ ٱلۡخِنزِيرِ
Forbidden unto you (for food) are carrion and blood and swine-flesh,
Surah 5, Verse 3
قُل لَّآ أَجِدُ فِى مَآ أُوحِىَ إِلَىَّ مُحَرَّمًا عَلَىٰ طَاعِمٍ۬ يَطۡعَمُهُ ۥۤ إِلَّآ أَن يَكُونَ مَيۡتَةً أَوۡ دَمً۬ا مَّسۡفُوحًا أَوۡ لَحۡمَ خِنزِيرٍ۬ فَإِنَّهُ ۥ رِجۡسٌ أَوۡ فِسۡقًا أُهِلَّ لِغَيۡرِ ٱللَّهِ بِهِ
Say: I find not in that which is revealed unto me aught prohibited to an eater that he eat thereof, except it be carrion, or blood poured forth, or swineflesh - for that verily is foul
Surah 6, Verse 145
إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ عَلَيۡڪُمُ ٱلۡمَيۡتَةَ وَٱلدَّمَ وَلَحۡمَ ٱلۡخِنزِيرِ
He hath forbidden for you only carrion and blood and swineflesh
Surah 16 Verse 115
ALCOHOL
They ask you (O Muhammad ) concerning alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men, but the sin of them is greater than their benefit." And they ask you what they ought to spend. Say: "That which is beyond your needs." Thus Allh makes clear to you His Laws in order that you may give thought.
al-Baqarah 2:219
Shaitn (Satan) wants only to excite enmity and hatred between you with intoxicants (alcoholic drinks) and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allh and from As-Salt (the prayer). So, will you not then abstain?
Al-Ma'idah 5:91
O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants, gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful.
[Al-Qur'an 5:90]
The Prophet of Islam Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
"Alcohol is the mother of all evils and it is the most shameful of evils."
[Sunan Ibn-I-Majah Volume 3, Book of Intoxicants, Chapter 30 Hadith No. 3371]
SHEESHA & SMOKING
Still searching Qur'aan & Hadeeth about this. How can you possibly say that they are ALL THE SAME?
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abu mohammed wrote:
When we replied saying no and showing our concerns and labelling it haram, what do we get? A stupid "lol". [/quote]
You yourself say here that you showed concerns and "labelled" it haram. I have every right to ask proof if you are accusing me of committing Haram. If I don't have a right, you have no right to accuse anyone of committing Haram.
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Then abu mohammed posted a poster about Shisha being worse than 200 cigarettes followed by a verdict of Mufti Ismail Menk in which he says clearly that it's "Haram Haram Haram" and anyone who says otherwise don't know what they're talking about. A bold claim indeed and this is what triggered me off in addition to the poster which made me post my first post.
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Here is everything that you have clearly ignored that I posted. Not only ignored it but you also changed it and posted lies about me which I'll paste here:
Guest-81866 wrote:
I am not saying it cannot be Haram because all scholars are unanimous that in individual cases it can become absolutely Haram[/quote]
Guest-81866 wrote:
one cigarette is MUCH WORSE than shisha. Anyone who says Shisha is worse than smoking clearly don't know what the hell they're on about. Cigarettes are WORSE. It's the worst thing a person can be hooked on to. Shisha is NOTHING. I wish every day I never started smoking[/quote]
After that, there were non-stop posts about its harms. HELLO??? Did you not read my posts at all? When did I deny the harm?
Still I had to post:
Guest-81866 wrote:
The video has still not proved how it's HARAM in SHARIAH.
No smoker denies the harms[/quote]
With your own logic, I proved that biting nails is Haram. You did not deny it. If you deny it then you have denied yourself the right to call smoking even one cigarette Haram.
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Then I asked:
If you can find me one smoker who says shisha is worse then I will remain silent about this point.
But instead of answering, you ridicule and assume (accuse):
"Smokers will say no won't they because they can taste strawberries, apple, peach or what ever flavors they are"
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I asked, "According to you, if a person does not inhale then is it still Haram?" you didn't answer
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You say:
abu mohammed wrote:
My opinion is not what matters. Its between us and Allah.[/quote]
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Then you make up your own translations too:
abu mohammed wrote:
(chewing tobacco is a form of intoxication)[/quote]
What is intoxication
Quote:
Intoxication is the acute state of physical and cognitive impairment caused by drinking alcohol or being exposed to a psychoactive drug. Intoxication typically has both physical and mental effects, which can include difficulties with controlling movement, mood changes, impairment of cognitive skills, impaired judgment, impaired impulse control, and changes in interpreting your surroundings or the behavior of others.[/quote]
The mere nerves of suggesting that chewing tobacco is a form of intoxication without specifying 'which' tobacco is the very reason you are misleading everyone into your opinion.
You will never find a doctor, scientist or anyone who knows the meaning of intoxication to claim that a cigarette intoxicates.
Quote:
Although the term "intoxication" is most commonly used to refer to the acute (immediate or short-term) effects of alcohol, intoxication may also be used to refer to the effects of other drugs, including amphetamines, caffeine, cannabis, cocaine, hallucinogens, inhalants, opioids, phencyclidine, sedatives, hypnotics and anxiolytics.[/quote]
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You then claim that scholars have been wrong referring to those who say it's Makrooh
abu mohammed wrote:
There have been many times when certain ulama have been wrong in their fatwa/judgement. And they stick to it profusely even when the whole world is against it[/quote]
I can't believe you actually think you have a better understanding than scholars who have studied with teachers, gone through the entire Quran Tafsir, read thousands of Hadeeth and meanings, gone through numerous books of jurisprudence and its principles.
abu mohammed wrote:
The problem, in my opinion, is that today we still take from the classical books for the contemporary issues. Many ulama use these classical books and give their rulings according to that[/quote]When you assume this low of scholars then what chance do normal people like us have who have extreme personal views breathing down everyone's necks?
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You even ended then:
abu mohammed wrote:
May Allah سبحانه وتعالى give me a better understanding, Aameen.[/quote]
But straight after it, you posted a picture of a Marlboro box with a health warning on it. So you don't listen to many scholars, you call them wrong and believe a label on a box. I gave a real valid reason for those labels yet you did NOT answer it.
A guest with the name "Smoking Kills" posted a reply but in all honesty, it made no sense. His first sentence was fully flawed. The rest was about the harms etc which no one is arguing about and then ends with how abu mohammed will be laughing at my approach.
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abu mohammed then replied with a joke about the old woman who died.
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Abu mohammed then found ONE sentence in a huge reply of mine with so many points and pin pointed to one sentence. Not even a sentence:
Guest-81866 wrote:
SMOKING DAMAGES HEALTH - maybe
abu mohammed wrote:
You cant be serious. You really are convinced that smoking is safe. SubhanAllah.
First, the word "maybe" indicated positive. Only "no" means no. "Maybe" means
possibly, as it may be, can be, conceivable, conceivably, could be, credible, feasible, imaginably, it could be, might be, obtainable, perchance, perhaps, weather permitting These are all the synonyms available for the word "maybe" - not one place did I find it to mean "no"
But you once again, as usual, accuse me of claiming I said no by changing my words and the meaning of well known English words into your own translation. This is why I said later that I call this conniving and manipulative.
[quote=abu mohammed]I dont think its a good idea for people to come and say that smoking may not be bad for your health, that is absurd.
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YOU THEN APOLOGISED I KNOW - BUT THE ABOVE INFORMATION IS IMPORTANT
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[quote=abu mohammed]There is a difference of opinion on this matter and I believe we've made that clear. Just on a personal level, I have taken the harsher one of haram
But then you still post more showing harms which once again WE ALL AGREE WITH but still post a hadeeth about numbness of senses. What does that even mean? You gave your own personal meaning of that but not any concrete proof of 1) what it means 2) why it applies to smokers
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[quote=rizmalek]It's very easy to quote verses that can be applied to a magnitude of situations, not just smoking......
This was a key point of many of my questions and answers such as nail biting. You ignore me, you ignore rizmalek.
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And then I'm so sorry to post this but out of frustration, I clearly said:
[quote]So since you are allowed to give Fatwas here, here is mine:
Yasin replied to that and I agree I was being stupid. Jazkallah for putting it well.
I know everything we do is related to Islam but my angle was in terms of ruling. There is more to Islam than just Haram. I treat Haram so seriously yet people can throw it around like it's nothing. I mean make everything Haram for yourself no problem.
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[quote=rizmalek]i actually forgot to add that I don't agree with smoking and I think we shouldn't smoke, but we shouldn't label it as haram.
Because then we are taking those brothers who are smoking potentially out of the fold of Islam by accusing them of continuing to do haram.
Ignored by everyone who claim Haram
[quote=rizmalek]no one should be told that their love for a habit is greater than their love for Allah. That's wrong
No reply to this either from anyone
[quote=rizmalek]no body smokes to disrespect Allah, they smoke cos they have picked up a bad habit. That's what humans do.
Again, no reply becaue he speaks the truth. The truth does not have a reply and instead of admiting some wrong was said, there's complete silence.
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Guest posted a query about someone's last Cigarette. You answered by turning a cigarette into Beer. Why is a cigarette and beer the same thing to you?
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The same guest then caught you out so amazingly. I am not sure of his intentions but he asked:
[quote]I'm just trying my best to understand here, so you're saying that the reason for smoking being Haram is because it's Haram to sell it?
This was deduced from:
[quote=abu mohammed]The point is we are not allowed to buy Haram pet food and feed it. So if we have Fatwa saying that trading in Tabacco is Haram since it is a substance that causes proven damage to the body, then its use would also be Haram.
So once again you gave NO REASON or PROOF that it's Haram except to run away from the question
[quote=abu mohammed]The underlined statement is not the reason. I dont want to continue posting the reasons why many Ulama have said it is Haram/Makruh. If you may, please read them.
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So after all the above and how convinced you were that SCHOLARS were wrong to say it's Makrooh, you then say:
[quote=abu mohammed]For me, it's still Haram and Allah knows best. I used the term Makruh, because those who don't accept it as Haram
(which is fair), they in the least, accept that it is Makruh. Therefore, I used that as an example.
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You give stories such as
[quote=abu mohammed]And the only reason i make susch a statement is that I have asked a very well known Mufti a valid question and Alhumdulillah, he had answered it very well to the best of his knowledge at the time. However, a year later, I had found strong evidence which suggested something else. And since it was not about ego, rather taqwa, I went back to the Mufti and presented my evidnece and asked him again. Alhumdulillah, he changed his verdict there and then.
