Is Eidul-Adhab on the 16th or 17th?

It just shows what a pathetic state we are in!

Our discussions may not make a difference to the scholars, but InshaAllah, when others see the VALID points being made, then, just maybe, the others could talk to their Imams and ask them their own view. Its just a way of making ones self heard.

(I have edited this comment, as it was pointed out to me to be an incorrect approach)

See what I mean!

He obviously would not be "Ulama e Haqq" would he?

If you click on the quote button, it will be easier for others to see where you are coming from.

Asslamo Allaikum,

Differences of opinions need to be evaluated on a case by case basis and not everything which comes out of Scholar can be deemed legitimate or Authentic e.g. if a Barelwee Scholar thinks that the soul of Rasulullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam) comes at a Milad and therefore they stand, would we consider this as valid or Authentic simply because it comes from a “Scholar”?

Once a Scholar gives an answer it needs to be looked, if it indeed a difference of opinion (valid and held in classical Islam) then we look at the strength of this opinion and sometimes you will find that it’s a weak opinion (valid nonetheless but weaker opinion).

In case of moon sighting you need to look at the facts:

1. Fact 1: Accepting Saudi Arabian moon sighting VIOLATES the conditions set forth by Hanafi Madhab of the number of witnesses required
2. Fact 2: The conveying of the news of Saudi moon sighting to UK VIOLATES the conditions set forth by Hanafi Madhab in conveying news of sighting
3. Fact 3: If you answer fact 1 & fact 2 by saying that these sightings are done in a region dominated by Hanbali Madhab and we accept their sightings based on their criteria (i.e. that of Hanbali Madhab) then accepting Saudi sighting for UK VIOLATES the Hanbali Madhab because in their Madhab each region MUST sight the moon locally!

Therefore:

• First and foremost there are NO MAJOR ULAMA in the world (Hanafi or Hanbali) who are calling for UK to accept Saudi sighting
• Seconfly, there has NO precdence in the Muslim Ummah for 1400+ years to make moon sighting of 1 area the criteria for another!
• Thirdly, the local Ulama who follow Saudi sighting are basing their opinion IN CONTRADICTION to both Hanafi & Hanbali Madhab therefore their opinion CANNOT be accepted as “valid difference of opinion”.

If you agree with Taqleed then do Taqleed i.e. follow your Madhab and in case of difficulty another Madhab with its conditions. In this case those who are calling to follow Saudia are recommending a "botch-up model of two Madhabs and cherry-picking".

Fortunately we follow Islam & not Catholicism so the verdicts of the Scholars have to be evaluated and judged and not simply implied because in Islam Ulama are not considered infallible.
 

Jazakullah Khairun

Argument 6 (British Deobandees): 

I am an American and I can assure you that no other Deobandees in the world follow Saudia for their moon sighting anywhere in the West or East.

So where do the British Deobandees get this from? particularly when there is no Fatwa or precdence for this action and insist on their position being right?

Jazakullah Khairun