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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2007 20:50
Asslam-0-alikum Warehmat Allah wbrakatauho i have posted this question in november but still i havnt got any reply ,,i understand might be it is cause of loads of question,, i want opinion of Ulema for the ladies who goes to gents tailors,,is it ryt accroding to the teachings of islam ? wether they give measurements or give dress for measurements,,? wht u ppl my muslim sisters n brothers say regarding this ?
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 7th January 2007 20:57

AssaIaams w w


good question. pops into my mind aIso - mashaIIah good to hear another user of this site from thousands of miIes away.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 8th January 2007 17:23
ASslam-0-alikum warehmat Allah wabrakatauho,,

JAzakALLah brother ,,,this is something crept into our society very badly and its the call of time to eradicate it from our culture but for this we need a strong justification in perspective of Quran And sunnath,,as when in front of a blind SAHABi (RZ) companion of Propeht (PBUH) women were orderd to do hijab then how come ladies go to non mehram tailors and above to that give measurements ...!!!!!?

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 8th January 2007 20:29
Assalamu Alaykum,


I should be able to get an asnwer soon insha'Allah.


Wassalam

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 9th January 2007 09:36
it is good user: www, that you want guidance from respected ulema on this issue, it makes me happy when such issues are recognised and addressed because such actions by women that visit ghair maharim to have themselves measured for tailoring is a diplorable action and against all modes of shame and modesty, aswell as being totally haram. however it will be interesting to find out from the religious point of view on where the laws lie if a lady gives only a garment as a measurement for tailoring to a ghair maharim, we'll have to wait and see what answer guest comes up with, nevertheless i think it better if you also posted your question on site??

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 9th January 2007 11:22
Asslam-0-alikum Warehmat Allah wabrakatauho

yes sis i have posted this question,, and waiting for the reply ,,but meanwhile i want to share and get the views from the members of the forum ,, yes waiting for the reply of respected guest,,

as u have urself asked about if they give clothes for measurements,,here the thought comes into my mind is that when women are advised to b harsh while talking to non mehram ,,that even the voice may generate any evil thoughts in others mind then ,,,,,,

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 9th January 2007 12:27
apologies for my ignorance, but why does a female need to go to a male tailor ? aren't there female tailors around that are just as good, if not better
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 9th January 2007 14:10

if im not mistaken most of the tailors in pakistan/india are men, as is becoming the trend here in the uk.

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here the thought comes into my mind is that when women are advised to b harsh while talking to non mehram ,,that even the voice may generate any evil thoughts in others mind then ,,,,,,

i totally agree with this statement, the voice of a woman can incite evil thoughts in the mind of men, hence i have always understood and accepted the advise given to women of speaking in a non-friendly manner when having to deal with the ghair mehram, nevertheless it is an issue which can only be implemented by those women who do not have a moderate way of thinking.

But, that doesnt answer the question of whether a woman can or cannot hand a piece of garment as a sample for having clothes made? personally i am served by male shopkeepers and there has never been a need for me to converse with them and if the need has arisen the words have been very few, simple and straight forward.

am i right or wrong in believing when a lady is trying her utmost not to speak in a friendly manner it is also the duty of a muslim man not to do the same.



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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 9th January 2007 14:24
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apologies for my ignorance, but why does a female need to go to a male tailor ? aren't there female tailors around that are just as good, if not better


Asslam-0-alikum WarehmatALlah wbrakatauho

U r cent percent ryt but as m living in PAKISTAN here its a general practice of women that they go to MEN tailors as TALIBAH sis already said ,,
and above all they dont think its bieng a wrong thing to give measurements to them even in road side shops and open malls,,,,

Talibah sis wht i was trying to say is THAT EVIL thought and intension or cruel mentality provokation that comes from a soft voice of women ,,isnt it a chance that it can also come from the cloth of any women when the men taking measurements EVEN by her clothes,,

and then they use to come for alterations then they have to speak wht, what they (women) cant discuss with their father brother and any of thier mehrams so easily as EASILY they discuss those things with NON-MEHRAM TAILORS,,,
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 9th January 2007 14:54
i understand what your saying, but doesnt the responsibility rest on the piety and taqwa of each individual woman. ok the way i see it, i have had a similar encounter when i visited a male tailor with someone i accompanied i was shocked when the guy took out his measuring tape and took her measurements, my friend at the time was okay with it, however i have in the past taken a piece of clothing for alteration i have never had to use any words other then can you adjust this 1 inch less here or 1 inch more here.


however, what did make me uncomfortable as a woman, was that a tailor can easily assess the size and shape of a woman through the clothing she has given, this bit i had a dilema in understanding whether it was islamically correct or not.


dont know, would be interesting to see what others think.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 9th January 2007 15:11
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and then they use to come for alterations then they have to speak wht, what they (women) cant discuss with their father brother and any of thier mehrams so easily as EASILY they discuss those things with NON-MEHRAM TAILORS,,,

do you mean body parts being mentioned when discussing either alterations or clothes being made? im afraid it is something that also occurs here in the uk but we are not accustomed to seeing it so openly, hence, are a bit blind to its existence.



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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 9th January 2007 15:34
You Are absolutly ryt sis TAQWAH is needed at both ends,,but y cant women can handle this their so personal issue on their own by training female tailors and specially the women who go for stitching seek for ladies tailors,,,
yes sis they boldly and wht i say hesitationlessly discuss their matters including the name of the concerned part of body ,,,


plz my english is not that much good m always trying nt to make any grammatical mistake but forgv me keeping it as human error,,,


so this is wht exactly the question is ,,as we are very much clear that giving measurements physically must be wrong ,but wht is the ruling in the perspective of HIJAB about giving clothes for the measurements to non-mehram MEN tailors

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 9th January 2007 15:49
Assalamoalaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakaatuh

Certainly, interaction between muslim women and male tailors can be a source of fitnah, and the taking of the former's measurements by the latter is undoubtedly haraam. As to the giving of garments as a sample, I feel that this can be categorized according to the nature of the garment. Just as certain items of clothing should be purchased with discretion, similarly, I believe that the sewing of close fitting garments should not be assigned to male tailors. However, I see no harm in assigning a tailor the task of sewing, for example, an abaya. Nevertheless, the exchange of the sample and final product must still be conducted within the limits of the shariah, i.e. that khulwah does not take place and that only necessary words be exchanged in the most formal of tones.

In order to tackle this problem, the men of a household must take on the responsibility of ensuring that their women do not interact with ghair mahram males in this manner, by insisting that they themselves (the males) conduct any communication with other males, or that the women find females to fulfil their tailoring requirements. The latter being the more preferable option.

From another angle altogether, should not those who are aware of the temporary nature of the dunya refrain from indulging excessively in fine clothing? To adopt a life of simplicity is a goal which we should all strive towards. Are we having these garments sewn frivolously? Do we have patches in our clothes as the sahaba did? Or is it that we are simply bored of the style we are currently wearing? Do we really need a summer wardrobe and a winter wardrobe? Can't we just wear extra layers instead? Would not the wealth we spend on our clothes be better given in the path of Allah?

I speak to myself before I speak to others. May Allah grant us all the tawfeeq to lead lives of simplicity in compliance with His commands. Aameen.

Fee amaanillah

Wassalaam

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 9th January 2007 17:15
Walikum ASslam warehmat ALlah wbrakatauho

SIS SHAhLY agree with ur words and u urslef said about abaya so i agree with that ABAYA is ok but other dresses are something different ,,

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u r ryt in this regard but here one thing more i wanna share is SHariyah and the SEERAT (life of our Prophet (PBUH) never forbaded to do so ,,i mean it is allowed if it is in limits that one is spending money for good clothing for himself and for his her family ,,,

in the favour of both the point of view i m sharing that once our PRophet HAzrat Muhammad (pbuh) dressed in a KURTA (SHIRT) which costs equal to the cost of 200 camles,, not for the pleasure or likeness but to give permission to the wealthy muslim people that they can spend if ALlah has blessed them with money ,,,
but after leading the juma prayer he put it off and did a SADQAH of that kurtah ,,,here we got the best example that wht is more imp ,,but the first thing is also not forbaded,,,
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 9th January 2007 17:17
Walikum ASslam warehmat ALlah wbrakatauho SIS SHAhLY agree with ur words and u urslef said about abaya so i agree with that ABAYA is ok but other dresses are something different ,,
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u r ryt in this regard but here one thing more i wanna share is SHariyah and the SEERAT (life of our Prophet (PBUH) never forbaded to do so ,,i mean it is allowed if it is in limits that one is spending money for good clothing for himself and for his her family ,,, in the favour of both the point of view i m sharing that once our PRophet HAzrat Muhammad (pbuh) dressed in a KURTA (SHIRT) which costs equal to the cost of 200 camles,, not for the pleasure or likeness but to give permission to the wealthy muslim people that they can spend if ALlah has blessed them with money ,,, but after leading the juma prayer he put it off and did a SADQAH of that kurtah ,,,here we got the best example that wht is more imp ,,but the first thing is also not forbaded,,,
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