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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 8th December 2006 08:32
I listended very carefully this morning to 5 Live and when asked by Nicky Campbell as to the death penalty for those leaving the fold of Islam, Sheikh Ibrahim Mogra went on to say that many verses are taken out of context thus leaving himself open to the Kuffar MEP who said that if by implication such laws are antiquated, Ibrahim Mogra should sign up to their phamphlet. Why not just say what is haq. Am sorry, but it is a sad state of affairs when a supposedly respected aalim will not come out and tell the truth whether or not it is liked by others.
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 8th December 2006 11:40
It was disappointing to note that the aforementioned individual today failed to speak the truth on 5 Live. When asked by Nicky Campbell as to the death penalty for those that leave the fold of Isalm, Shaikh Ibrahim Mogra merely mentioned that, many a time, verses are taken out of context. The implied message given and taken by the MEP present was that Muslims should therefore sign and agree that such laws propounded by extremists have no place in the 21st Century. I am afraid, there are clear Laws in the books of hadith for those that renege on their deen whether Mr Mogra chooses to explicitly say so or not
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 8th December 2006 14:22
i did not hear it this morning as i only listen upto about 8ish. But if he said what you say he said then firstly i think he knows more about the rules and regs of shariah then me and you put together and why he said what he said, and what, if any, was the hikmah behind what he said. Before making presumptions about what he said i think it would be wise to ask him why he said what he said first.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 8th December 2006 14:50
Where the rules are explicit, am afraid an apologist explanation is insufficient.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 8th December 2006 15:20
majority of the time an interviewer already knows the answer before he asks his question, their is great hikmat required in such situations, when fitnah is trying to be created.
why hand over your possessions to a thief on a golden platter.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 8th December 2006 16:45
When using hikmah, it is inappropriate not to proclaim the truth as we are told to do so. Following Mr Mogra's answer the undeniable impression all listeners would have got is that Shariah Law is antiquated. Had he been explicit in answering the question, he might not well have got himself in a pickle.


Shaykh Riyadul Haq mentions in one of his talks that we must not become apologists. What is haq is haq and should be proclaimed whether people understand it or not.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 8th December 2006 16:53

Muhammad H wrote:
Where the rules are explicit, am afraid an apologist explanation is insufficient.


as i said before he knows those rules better then me and you ever will and is very on the game when it comes to dealing with the media. to judge him on that one statement is way off the mark. he's a person who shines of quran and sunnah both inwardly and outwardly. until you (you - cause your the only one thinking this about him) ask him (or maybe another aalim) why he said that or if there is (or isnt) any hikmah behind his choosing those particular words for his answer.


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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 8th December 2006 16:55

if you are an aalim then you have every right to make those comments on Shaikh Mogra if you are not then let aalims disagree/discuss with other aalims. not laymans disagreeing with aalims using quotes from other aalims.


p.s my last post on this.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 8th December 2006 18:47
i'm not going there, so im not even going to get started. everyone is entitled to hold a personal opinion, we'll have to just agree to disagree. as far as im concerned the media is doing a great job of creating segregation between the muslims, and shaytans loving it.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 8th December 2006 19:12
I think best that no more comments are made on this topic regarding what was said and whether it was right or not....we should be the last people to criticise another muslim..
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 9th December 2006 21:44
Muslim 119 - yes, i think u r right with regards to not making this into an arguement - but when critism is due on a person then it is due, regadless who they are. do u accept that a person does a mistake but on the basis of being a muslim isn't crittisied or punished accordingly - certainly and not, and that is the JUSCTICE of Islam...


...but as 'daywalker' (???) said, the issue hre is that crittism can only be given by those worthy of critising i.e Ulama. this is not such a simple sistuation as to just 'speak the Haq'.


No doubt the Prophet (saw) was on the Haq in the early days in Makkah and when some of his Sahaba requested to proclaim the Haq openly in the Haram the Prophet (saw) initally advised them against it...


...Hikmah 'Muhummud H' is not so simple as you may see it...another example is Umr Radiallaho anho at Hudaybiya - he was so angry that he went to Nabi (saw) and said to the effect "are you not the Messenger of Allah?" "are we not on the Haq?" and complained that why do the muslims not go straight to Makkah and do what must be done - Nabi (saw) was saddened by this and Allah سبحانه وتعالى revealed Surah Fath ayat "Indeed We have given you a CLEAR VICTORY..."


Subhan Allah, Hudaybiya on face value may have seemed pathetic for the Muslims and restrictive, thus Umar's Radiallho anho frustation but Allah سبحانه وتعالى calls it a CLEAR VICTORY..


...Hikmah isn't so simple a thing...


Allah سبحانه وتعالى Knows Best!

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 9th December 2006 23:10
Salaam

Subhanallah! You've made the point very eloquently, Talib 123.

Jazakallah khairun.

It is often very difficult to implement such hikmah, but usually the reason for this difficulty is because we still have so much faith in our own understanding that we cannot entertain the thought of it being imperfect or yet in progress.

True humility is what is required. May Allah grant this to us all, insha allah. Aameen

Fee amaanillah

Wassalaam

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 11th December 2006 08:31
Talib, the analogy you have given with the Prophet's time is questionable. In the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him's) time, there was a fear of death, greater sacrifice and silence was for the best. The response was not to a mere queston but to the threat of violence and hardship.


Ibrahim Mogra was asked a question and the truth should have been spoken.


Unfortuantely it is not the first occasion on which his actions can or have been called into question. The lead-in to one of his programmes on Radio Ramadhan was accompanied by music with no objection and his madressa (which my cousin attends) has permitted the watching of the World Cup to preclude children from missing Madressa.


The fact that he is an aalim does not render him exempt from censure.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 11th December 2006 17:34
if the person in question has done this and other things then he will be held accountable on the Day of Judgement...what i was trying to say in my previous post was that only he knows why he said what he said and and sometimes people are placed in such a situation that words do not come out as easily as they should and they do get interpretations wrong sometimes........we should not be quick to attack other muslims as soon as they make a mistake, this is a fault in muslims in todays day and age.....instead the questions should be put forward to Sheikh Ibrahim Mogra.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 11th December 2006 17:35
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Shaykh Riyadul Haq mentions in one of his talks that we must not become apologists. What is haq is haq and should be proclaimed whether people understand it or not
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The lead-in to one of his programmes on Radio Ramadhan was accompanied by music with no objection


Molana Riyadul Haq also appears on TV with his own slots on Channel Islam which is very heavily laced with music also?? Don't see much fuss being created over that.


I personally don't. His talks are sooo beneficial for us UK Muslims. we need more like him!. Its best if you spoke directly with Shaikh Mogra 1st like some have said to get a better understanding of his actions (or hikmah??) - if after that you still come to the same conclusion then and only then you'd have every right to.

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