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#61 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 11:14
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I'm totally clueless about my mistake. Please help me identify it.
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#62 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 11:18
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Dear confused guest,

We weren't discussing about Mr. Mogra. Our latest conversation was off topic. If you want to know our stance regarding Mr. Mogra then please read previous posts.
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#63 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 11:40
If awards could be given for muddling up peoples minds, i'd be bankrupt.
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#64 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 12:52
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Alhamdulillaah Muftisays will save you from bankruptcy. Just click on the username, click "award reps" and type the amount. It's completely free.
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#65 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 13:20
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Obviously his actions are haram and should be exposed.
I was mentioning something different.
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#66 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 13:21
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Look at your reps.

Now click on any username and award 100 reps

Then check your reps again.
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#67 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 13:54
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Ya Allaah! I thought it completely free! *shocked*
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#68 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 14:37
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Why Shocked? Reps don't grow on trees you know.

Anyway, back to topic please

Please only post relevant issues to the current topic, otherwise please start a new topic. Jazakumullah
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#69 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 14:56
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Not "even a layman" because todays laymen can call anything a bluff even the most authentic fatwa can be called a bluff.

Another correction " moral responsibility". It is my "islamic responsibilty". Why ban me brother? Tomorrow any mureed of any shaikh can get banned any user who starts a refutation against his shaikh or any alim mufti.

Allow me to bring forth ample proofs that clearly substantiate my claim. After going through these even a layman will be able to see clear through blinded shields.

MAULANA TARIQ JAMEEL:

First a quote from Hadrat Allamah Sarfarazرضي الله عنه. he writes in Irshaadush Shiah page-210:

'Whoever hesitated in the kufr of Shiah, he is also a kaafir like them only'.

I quote mufti zarwali khan here:

"...When I hear his wrong views, I refute him. He said even this thing in the same speech that the greatest alim of the universe after Ambiyaa is Hadrat Ali.This is purely Rifdh, purely Shiahism, nothing else.Such a sentence will not be found in the whole world." >Date:30 August 2013.Time:48:33 - 50:18 minutes�

Badr and Khandaq cannot become proof for Jihad of nowadays.Our example is not found even in Seeratun Nabi rather our example is of Bani Israil.Fir'aun slaughtered children in front of a great Nabi like Musa,he didn't do any Jihad. Are these views correct according to Shariah? Such views are dangerous.Nowadays Tariq Jameel expresses such views. These are very inappropriate views.�I'm afraid if his Imaan is not stripped off." >Date:20 December 2013.Time:52:58 - 53:28 minutes�

(Notice the bold part)

Tariq Jameel has said that one doesn't become kafir by declaring Sahabah kafir.Is this correct?

The views of Tariq Jameel are weak,baseless and regrettable." >Date:28 February 2014.Time:59:03 - 59:13 minutes

Some fatwas from Mufti afzal hoosen elias taken from here:

www.alislam.co.za/cms/?s=8399&x=-885&y=-850&search-type=q...

I will just paste the replies without the questions due to their length. You can check the questions on the link above.

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This person is lost and trying his utmost to loose others. Expose him totally so that the Imaan and Islaam of others are protected.

And Allah Knows Best

Mufti Elias (May Allah Protect him)

Answer

The Tabligh Jamaat should distance themselves from the wrong views of Moulana Tariq Jameel. The work is not based on individual projection or promotion thus it will not suffer.

And Allah Knows Best

Mufti Elias (May Allah Protect him)

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Now we move on to mualana ebrahim bham:

In direct contrast we have this vile NNB Jamiat headed by the vile Reverend Abraham flagrantly propagating by word and deed against everything which the Shariah commands and which the old Jamiatul Ulama Transvaal represented. This Reverend character now flagrantly in kufr style poses for photographs for newspapers in his insane craving for cheap publicity. He flagrantly allows himself to be interviewed by females. He engages in haraam�philandering with females. He and his ilk are preparing the ground for the introduction of Television Shaitaan. He and his radio shaitaan gang of fussaaq and fujjaar have scuttled the Shariah's prohibit ion on female exhibit ion, both voice and body.�


He propagates kufr politics under Qur'aanic guise. He accepts 'bribes' from the enemies of Islam, notably Bush. He worships under a dozen crosses inside a church. He consorts with the interfaith mob whose�fundamental belief is the reject ion of Islam and the elevation of kufr to the pedestal of 'truth'. He has a penchant for participat ing in pantomime shows of 'protest ' and other haraam stage tactics to focus public attention on him. He sets up street shows manned by Muslim women to smell the toes of males for the disease of Aids. He allows his assistant imaam to masquerade as a pundit. He encouraged musallis at his Musjid to dress up like Hindus and engage in Salaat right inside the Musjid with their Hindu attire. He has thus right fully been branded the�reverend-cum-pundit . He sits on a stage in close proximity with a Hindu woman to speak in honour of the mushrik, Ghandiji. Are we then not correct for branding him punditji, reverendji, etc.?�


The acts we have enumerated here are not private sins which are committed in dark alleyways and which a man of Imaan conceals. These are public activit ies - acts of kufr -- which he hoists as 'halaal' activities thus halaalizing the fatwa of kufr and excommunication.�This man masquerading as a 'maulana' is a worse danger to the Imaan of Muslims than even the notorious Rushdi and other exposed Dajjaals. May Allah Ta'ala save the Imaan of the unwary, ignorant and gullible Muslims who today have become the slaves of the nafs and joined the ranks of the shayaateen due to characters of the reverend type."

Q. Moulana (Reverend)�Bham�had worshipped the cross about a decade ago. I have heard that he has already repented. In my opinion it is not valid to continue referring to him as a cross-worshipper. Please explain your stance.

A.�The cross-worshipping was perpetrated in the full glare of public light.It was published prominently in the daily newspapers. The act of kufr was committed by Reverend Abraham�Bham�in public. The Shariah therefore demands that his repentance be a public act conspicuously displayed. It is imperative that he publicly proclaims his error and that his act of cross-worshipping was indeed kufr. As long as he does not make public amends, he will be guilty of misleading countless ignorant Muslims by having created the idea that it is permissible to worship in a church sitting under 12 crosses.Assuming that he had privately repented, it is a matter between him and Allah Ta'ala.�Allah Ta'ala will decide his fate on the Day of Qiyaamah.�

As far as we are concerned,our hands are tied by the Shariah. The�hukm (ruling), here on earth will be in accordance with the commands of the Shariah, and such ruling has no relationship with Allah's judgment on the Day of Qiyaamah.

Mansur Al-Hallaaj (rahmatullahalayh) was a great Saint. It is the belief of all the Auliya that he was a true Wali of high status. Yet, even his Shaikh Hadhrat Junaid Baghdaadi (rahmatullah alayh) who was fully aware of the transcendental and spiritual realties as these related to Mansur Al-Hallaaj, signed the final decree to have him executed for having uttered a statement which in terms ofthe Shariah was kufr. Regardless of the stature of a man,if he commits kufr, he will be impaled with the fatwa of kufr and be excommunicated.�

The Reverend in question is under Shar'i obligation to publicly proclaim his grievous crossworshipping error which he had perpetrated sitting in a church in the�suhbat�of kuffaar priests and to make a public repentance. But the Reverend's satanic pride prevents him from doing what he has to do to save his skin in this dunya and in the Aakhirah. �Insaan�- the human being who is a Muslim, is expected to follow the Sunnah of Aadam (alayhissalaam) who had publicly repented for the error of having eaten from the forbidden tree.�He lay in Sajdah for 40 years shedding tears in such profusion that birds would drink from the blessed sweet tears of our Father,Aadam (alayhis salaam). He had adopted humility and submission.

On the contrary, shaitaan's rebellion aggravated when Allah Ta'ala called him to repentance. His response was:�"You created me from Fire, and him (Aadam) from sand."�Shaitaan debated with Allah Ta'ala to justify his refusal of not prostrating to Hadhrat Aadam (alayhis salaam). The Reverend Abraham Bham has opted to follow the sunnah of Shaitaan, not the Sunnah of his Father, Hadhrat Aadam (alayhis salaam).He employs stunts and shenanigans to vindicate his crossworshipping act. No phony fatwa of any crony mufti can save his skin. As long as there is no straightforward public repentance, the Fatwa of Kufr will remain strung around his neck like a dead albatross.


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#70 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 15:28
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do you just chose to ignore that Mufti Zarwali Khan has since met many times met maulana Tariq?
or that Gilgit at the time Mewlana went was a hotbed of sunni vs shia killings?
can you provide mp3 of what maulanas talk in gilgit to substantiate your stuff?

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#71 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 17:02
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I get the double standards. Wrong is wrong even if the greatest scholar does it. But just like Ibrahim mogra fanboys people will look for reasons to make excuses for clear haraam
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#72 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 18:04
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#73 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 18:08
Before ^this post is approved, please post what his teachers (the great Ulamaa of UK) say about him. If they approve then please provide the names and this thread can be locked.
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#74 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 18:49
I don't have any quotes if that's what you're looking for. I was pointing out that he has good relations with his teachers and they would be first to condemn him if he did kufr or haraam. You should be asking where's the condemnation from Ulama in UK who understand the context we're living in.
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#75 [Permalink] Posted on 7th June 2014 20:24
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This is the PROBLEM!

As I have stated earlier that when laymen feel the Ghayrah for Islam they are blamed because Ulama don't speak. Then we have people with double standards who defend their own Mashaykh to the hilt but condemn everybody else to the hilt.
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