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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 26th October 2006 17:00

I am perturbed by the fact that the likes of Shaikh Imran Mogra feel the need to appear on TV & debate with women especially in the light of fatwas and articles regarding the ill-effects of TV by the likes of Shaikh Saleem Dhorat.


Of greater concern is the alleged presence of a television watched by students in a Leicester mosque on the feeble excuse that it's better for them to not miss madressah and watch the World Cup then vice versa.


I may not be an aalim but without authentication from Quran and Hadith there is a grave danger of fitnah.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 26th October 2006 19:57
Salaam,

I understand what you're saying, and agree...to an extent.

How about looking at it from a different angle?

Today, in this day and age, TV is one method you can guarantee 100% will pass on your message to ALOT of people.

It can be a form of da'wah as well, like when panorama contacted Shaykh Riyadhul Haq...a number of Jummahs from the shaykh's mosque were broadcasted on TV. There are probably enough people out there who are wondering what on earth the Muslims get up to in the Mosques.

I think if you meet certain conditions you're allowed to go on TV...Allahu 'Alam. Instead of judging these people why not just speak to a mufti about the situation.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 26th October 2006 19:57
i am not a learned scholar, however, my opinion goes against tv full stop. be it gr8 scholars entertaining us or just watching animals in their natural habitat.


i think these scholars are only giving certain muslims the go ahead to watch tv. basically, its like giving permission. why?
there is no need to appear on tv.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 26th October 2006 21:38
I agree with guest on this one - it's not as black and white as we would like to believe.


Allahu Alam - may Allah accept the sincere efforts of all the ulama. Aameen

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2006 08:15
I was under the impression that the ruling is clear. As television contains more ills than benefits (just like alcohol) it is not permissible to have any association with it.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2006 08:19
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2006 09:36
I'm with queenie on this matter. Even if there was any 'benefit' in watching TV (dawaa), shouldn't we be adopting the ways of the prophets/sahaba's when propagating Islam. There is no substitute for talking with others on a one-to-one basis. I used to be a Telly addict. I kidded myself that i would only watch the news, cureent affairs, question time, documenatries etc. This then lead me to become hooked on simpsons, comedies, soaps etc. I no longer watch TV. Make duaa that i remain steadfast. The amount of time i now have at my disposal is truly amazing.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2006 09:46
I'm not sure which way to go in this topic????


In one hand there are some educational Islamic programmes but there are more programme that can corrupt ones deen!!!


It is true now a days how else would you get the message across to people on truth about Islam, but those Muslim who do appear on TV are not doing a good job in changing peoples mind on Islam.


It is a bit disappointing that a wise iman will want to go on tv.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2006 09:52
I'm not fit to get into a debate on this, but I'll just say that I've been reading the Majlis for years, and Alhamdulillah they are the most uncompromising adherents to the deen which I have ever encountered. However, to me, they are what Umar was amongst the sahaba (RA). We love him for his strictness, but we also love Abu Bakr for his gentleness and all the other sahaba (RA) for their individual traits which they displayed whilst still being role models for the ummah.


ok ... I think I might just enter the debate, even though I am unworthy.


Recently, many wives I know have begun to complain against the exceesive time spent by their husbands at the computer. They say: 'We got rid of one devil (TV), and now we have another (PC)'


One could argue that the PC should become just as haraam as the TV because it also displays images of ghair mahrams continuously and to a large part, unavoidably. I personally am often disturbed by adverts which appear around my web-based mail, but am unable to do anything about it.


Worryingly, I have also witnessed some muslims who own TVs flicking thoughtlessly between qiraat on Islam Channel and the latest music videos on MTV. This I found disturbing because the message was obviously not penetrating their consciousness.


Whilst on the other hand, we read about brothers who have come to the realisation of their purpose on earth via the very same qiraat on Islam Channel.


I feel that, just as the early Muslims were brought onto the path of Islamic life gradually (slowing relinquishing their drinking habits etc.), there are also thousands of heedless 'Muslims' who need to be given the ramp by which they can come onto an Islamic way of life. This does not make it halaal for those who know better. For example, we know that certain sahaba did not drink alcohol even before Islam... now when the command came for the muslim to not enter the masjid in a state of drunkenness, these abstaining sahaba did not begin drinking, did they?


Allahu 'Alam. May Allah forgive me and all of us for our mistakes and short-comings. Aameen.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2006 10:09
Lets not speak bad about those muslims who go on TV to discuss islam etc, especially when they are scholars. Who are we to criticize these people? Who are we to question their taqwa?


Yes I also dont like tv and dont watch it myself, but there are also others out there apart from you and me. Non muslims primarily.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2006 10:14
I was just mulling over it whilst having my breakfast, and the analogy came to mind of a person climbing a ladder, and insisting on breaking the rungs behind him as he climbed.


Surely, we have all come from some degree of ignorance to reach even this stage of awareness... leave the rungs behind so that others too can reach the destination!

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2006 10:22
By the way, here is Zaytuna's wisdom of the day...

"The Messenger of God said, "Honor scholars, as they are the inheritors of the prophets. Anyone who honors them has honored God and His Messenger." Al-Khatib"

from: www.zaytuna.org

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2006 10:49
I didn't mean to criticise Muslims scholars or other Muslims now reading it does sound like it, I wrote above having in mind people who comes on news calling their selves Muslim yet not defending their religion.
I was told about a programme on channel 4 this Monday about Muslim women fighting for their right to pray in the mosque with the men. See why Muslim people would want to help demonising their religion, if a person no idea about Islam watches this programme they will easily think Islam oppress their women WHICH IS NOT TURE.


I know a lot of people from Islam channel they are really sharia law abiding people, only trying to prompting Islam.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2006 10:55
Regards to the MajIis.net. yes they are the most strictest uIama board i have ever come across. However they do have some views here and there that other uIama disagree with. Differences of opinion amonst the uIama are naturaI and heaIthy. The MajIis approach on some views are a bit too strict and i dont think its wise of them to outright daam other uIama organisations or ridicuIe peopIe in the answers they give to questions asked.


On the TV issue i agree you cant question uIama such as the Iikes of Shaikh RiyadhuI Haq and Shaikh Mogra on there stance on this or their taqwa. How dare we!


Tv probs has 95% bad to it and 5% good. Its become the biggest medium where peopIe get information from so if certain uIama feeI that they have to use it (forced to use it rather then wiIIingIy) to counteract the forces of batiI then i dont think we can knock em Iong as its done to a IeveI that Ieast goes against the ruIes and regs of shariah


On shaIy's tv Vs pc point I very much agree. PC is more or Iess a teIIy.


ChanneI IsIam aIso has good points and bad points. What i dont Iike is seeing brothers and sister taIking to each other when sisters have faces aII done up and eyebrows etc. aIso they stiII pIay a heck of aIot of background music. But theres stiII so many peopIe who do benefit from it.


And shaIy's Iast point was good aIso. if some use some "dodgey" avenues to come on to deen it dont make that "dodgey" avenue ok for the rest who are foIIowing deen. The idea is once these peopIe come on to deen they insha-aIIah wiII reIiase that that method they used was/is kinda dodgey.

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 27th October 2006 11:30
i agree, how dare we question the scholars, especially one such as shaikh riyadhul haq.
i just think, y watch it? its totally haraam.
i have a tv in my hse, but its off. i avoid it @ all cost.
my husband on the other hand loves his question time, panorama etc.
pc, newspapers etc, they r all bad.
ppl watch video clips on their pc's, well its equal to watching tv.
so yes, pc is as much a danger as tv. however, depends on how u use ur pc.


in my opinion, there are many other means to spread the true word.

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