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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 16:02

Straw asks Muslims to remove veil
Muslim women in the UK who wear full veils make "better, positive relations" between communities "more difficult", Commons leader Jack Straw has said.

Concealing a face was "a visible statement of separation and of difference", the Blackburn MP told the Lancashire Evening Telegraph.

He said he now asks women who have meetings with him to remove their veils so they can truly talk "face-to-face".

"My concerns could be misplaced, but I think there is an issue here," he said.

The Blackburn MP, who was home secretary from 1997 to 2001 and foreign secretary until 2005, said: "The value of a meeting, as opposed to a letter or phone call, is so that you can - almost literally - see what the other person means, and not just hear what they say.

"My point to these ladies and to the community is that this is an issue that needs to be discussed.

"Because in our society, we are able to relate to particularly strangers, by being able to read their faces and if you can't read their faces that does provide some separation."

Mr Straw said his constituents had so far always agreed to lift their veil when he has asked.

He said he had thought about the issue "a lot" and conceded his concerns "could be misplaced" - but he went on to say that he thought "there is an issue here".

I'm absolutely livid that this joke of an MP has the audacity to tell my sisters to unveil. It was only a matter of time before it happened, but I'm still angry that it has come from someone who secured his seat due to thousands of naive muslims voting for him. Last week it was Reid, this week it's Straw. Doesn't democracy stink with such political posturing now that the Leadership of the Labour party is up for grabs.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 17:12
.............and its gona get worse for muslims.
its already in tough times, but its gona get tougher, testing our imaan to no boundries.


may Allah safeguard our faith.


RABBANA WA LA TUHAMMILNA MA LA TAQATA LANA BIH.
WA'FU ANNA, WAGHFIRLANA, WARHAMNA.
ANTA MAULANA FANSURNA ALAA-QAWMIL KAFIREEN.

'our Lord! lay not on us that burden which we have not the strenghth to bear.
and pardon us, absolve us, and have mercy on us, you alone are our friend and helper, help us to triumph over the unbelieving folk.' - ameen, summa ameen!!

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 18:12
AstaghfirULLAH Al Azeem...if i had been one of those sisters would had slapped him one...sorry but how low can they get......
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 18:20
All the Muslim sisters that do observe the TRU way of hijab by wearing nikaab KEEP STEADFAST and don't lose hope in the mercy of Allah. If we were ever asked to remove our nikaabs we should refuse no matter what hardships we face. I'm sure any hardship we face is nothing compared to what the Prophet (saw) faced with his sahba's by the Quraysh!

Nikaab is our identity is does not hinder us from expressing ourselves and making a difference. The only difference is we do it in a way that is jaiz according to shariah. Inshallah if we stay as a strong unit and stick togethor nothing can happen and no1 can let us give up part of our identity!

May Allah keep us steadfast in our actions. Ameen

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 18:32
true Al Zahra.....i would never remove mine...so many times i have been asked to remove it and i refuse.......soon they will be trying to bring out laws.....i will be one of the many who would never accept any law they would enforce.....b4 they start giving out there own opinions on "the veil" they should start on curfews for children.....and they wonder why things are the way they are.....(really not happy)
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 19:12
We should be furious as muslim women on this subject but approach this issue in a civil manner. If we as muslims were to touch an issue like this of christians or jews or hindus or sikhs wouldn't we be in trouble right now?


Why is it that these MP's and Popes etc can say things to muslim and we just have to nod our heads and accept it? Or retaliate in a violent manner?


This needs to be a wakeup call to us muslims, we need to stand up and speak out in an appropriate manner. Violence is not the answer but i'm sure there are other solutions.


One key starting point is the Muslims sticking togethor and letting nothing break them. Right?


At times of crisis we see Muslims sistrs remove their veil even hijab and brothers abandon wearing the amamah or even the jubba! Yea i know at times of hardships ther is permissability to remove such itmes according to some. But when the Prophet (saw) was stonned, Abu Bakr رضي الله عنه was dragged by his beard for proclaiming being a muslim did you see them give up their identity? Thse are our tru heros and we should follow in their footsteps.


Smile, be happy to be a Muslim and Allah will surely be happy with you! Correct me if im wrong!

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 19:38
yes sister i understand exactly what you are saying...like recently a turkish hijacked a plane....BUT when it soon came about that he was a christian convert from islam (me still in shock....no other comments otherwise this post may get nasty) who did not want to serve in the turkish military they were soon using the story AGAINST islam...as if the guy was crying out for help........uffff...its true till the last day we will always be scrutinized just for being muslims
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 19:45
My Ustaad taught me a hadith:


"Islam began as something strange and will revert to being strange as it began, so give glad tidings to the strangers."


At the beginning of time Islam people looked at it strange. The quraysh thought what the Prophet (saw) was spreading was ALIEN! Today when people look at things like the NIKAAB as strange and a so called barrier we should be happy they think it's strange as Insh'Allah if we have hope in Allah in his infinite mercy we will be the ones given gladtidings.


Let's be good Muslims and be optimistic about life. Let's not get annoyed over people of no knowledge commenting on key aspects of our religion. After all they are jahil and we should pray Allah gives them guidance to become Muslims.


Let this world be a prison for us and a heaven for the disbelivers as i'm sure the tables will be recersed in hereafter.


Only Allah accepts ours duas no matter how sinful we may be! Let us never lose hope in our creater!

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 19:54

Assalamualaykum warahmatullah,


I was just about to post this topic up looks like taqwa50 beat me to it masha'Allah.


Masha'Allah well said sisters; I believe the hijaab, nikaab, and abaya give muslim women their sense of identity. This is what we have been commanded by Allah subhana wa ta'ala to do and happily we have done it for His pleasure only. Therefore if politicians(or anyone for that matter) come along and tell muslim women to remove their nikaabs for the purpose of 'better positive relations', then we should see this as a test on our part.


Alhamdulilah people I have seen so far have been steadfast in what they believe in and integration between different communities does not require the removal of an identity. This is who we are and this is what we believe in, whether they like it or not we make a stand. I'm outraged at the thought of even considering to take the veil off.


Being able to integrate does not lie within face to face communication but a part of is held in communication on a mature level with people of different communities. There are many muslim woman veiled who are able to hold a v.well and structured conversation.


May Allah give us all the ability to hold on our deen and to stand tall.Ameen.


Duaas requested.


Wassalam

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 19:59
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May Allah give us all the ability to hold on our deen and to stand tall.Ameen


Yes Ameen!


I think that the politicians do not talk for the community on a whole. i know so many nice none muslim women who approach me evn though i waer nikaab and THEY DO NOT SEEM TO FELL THERE IS ANY SORT OF BARRIER!


Al i have to say is KEEP THE NIKAAB ON N KEEP THE IMAAN STRONG

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 20:04
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Let this world be a prison for us and a heaven for the disbelivers as i'm sure the tables will be recersed in hereafter.


So true, masha'Allah.
May Allah The Disposer of all affairs grant us sabr during a time of troubles and may He guide those who are misguided, as none can be guided without His guidance.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 20:08
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KEEP THE NIKAAB ON N KEEP THE IMAAN STRONG

Masha'Allah Hear Hear! :)
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 20:24
I think we should make as many muslims aware of this issue so that when we are questionned on it we can be good in giving a convincing answer so that whateve these politicians can be overlooked and ignored
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 20:26
...its true women i come across dont seem to mind or feel uncomfortable...they talk to me as if i was not even wearing anything on my face...and for a politicain to speak for everyone as a whole is out right disgusting...i know what they are trying to do...they are just trying to bring the nations sights on women in the uk now....Keep the nikaab on keep the imaan strong......i have to say i feel so protected with the veil and it feels apart of me...to not have it for me would be MURDER.....ameen to all the duas......jzk sisters
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 5th October 2006 21:30
I hope a lot of people read this topic! It will be a good read!
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