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#46 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 14:44
Mashallah Taqwa50 we need more speakers like you! You should join our forum 2 and chek out our site! link on my signature
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#47 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 14:47
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sorry but......this is a christian country????....i'm not trying cause a overheated discussion here but can someone please tell me is this a christian country or is it just made to appear so when they feel fit............

They do as they please and do things to fit their needs when they need it! If this really was a christian country i would see people actually prcticin d religion ryt!
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#48 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 15:08

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Are these islamophobists suffering from collective and selective amnesia when they quote 'when in Rome, do as the Romans do' ? When the English went to India, did they start learning urdu/hindi, wear kurta/sari's etc? NO. When they went to Australia, did they adopt the customs of the Aborigines? NO. When they went to present day USA, they destroyed the native american way of life. What about Africa ?


Jazakallah!..i just heard the ulamah of Blackburn have challenged him to an open debate.

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#49 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 15:08
"Mashallah Taqwa50 we need more speakers like you! You should join our forum 2 and chek out our site! link on my signature"
Thanx 4 the offer, but if i did, i'd get nothing done at work !
for the time being, i'll just stick to this site
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#50 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 15:15

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jazakallah..ameen..if i was in the shoes of those labour constituents i would tell him to keep his job in his pocket..they only see votes and members..if those female's resigned now the whole country would be shocked and the table would turn on jack straw..people give their lives for islam..or maybe its all planned.




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#51 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 15:17
sorry forgot to sign in after sining out.
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#52 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 15:48
MS Column added by Maulana Iftikhar on this issue. Please comment on there.
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#53 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 17:21
Assalamualaykum,


Reading the kuffar's comments do spark anger and upset. Please try and limit their comments. Let us spend that time raising our hands in duaa for all of our muslim sisters.


Duaas requested.
Wassalam

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#54 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 20:09
main point what jack straw is trying make is that its not part of islam!!!
so can we just proove this wrong here..
back after taraweeh.
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#55 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 20:15
i was listenin to the radio and one woman was saying that asking to take her niqab off is like askin her to take a piece of her clothing off
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#56 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 21:22

I noticed a comment on here that said that British People VISITING a Muslim country would'nt wear a head scarf and that is because they are only VISITING and not living in the Muslim country, these women who wear these facecovering veils are living in the UK therefore I believe they should remove them, show their faces and show respect the our Christian Religion as we always have to show respect to theirs or we are known as being racist!


What an appaling comment-since when did the 'christian religion' allow half dressed women to prance around on the streets in public?!


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#57 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 22:00
Salam,

Did anyone hear the religion & politics show on Leicester's Ramadhan Radio yesterday? They had their MP Peter Soulsby on & was presented by Ibrahim Moogra.

Ibrahim Moogra mentioned an incident which just totally illustrates Jack Straws priorities...once him and his colleagues were discussing certain issues with Jack Straw...issues such as the war on Iraq, Al-Aqsa, 9/11, 7/7, Palestine, Israel, etc etc. After everyone had made all their points, they waited for what Straw had to say...After talking about all these major serious events Straw comes out with...'I just feel so uncomfortable talking with Muslim women who wear the veil'!!!! THIS MAN IS A JOKE!!

The only reason why he's come out and said this now is because he knows he's going to be out soon, he knows there's noway he's going to be voted in again, so he may aswell just come out and say everything before he's gone!! It was stupid really to let him back in after he supported the war in Iraq!!!

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#58 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 22:05


Freedom from Discrimination


Article 14 of the ECHR states that the enjoyment of ECHR rights "shall be secured without discrimination on any ground such as sex, race, colour, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, association with a national minority, property, birth or other status." It is fundamental to remember that, to a Muslim woman, the wearing of the Hijab is not merely a personal display of faith. It is a religious obligation and thus a matter of personal obedience to God.



Freedom of religion



Article 9 of the European Convention on Human Rights ("the ECHR") - incorporated into UK domestic law by section 1 of the Human Rights Act 1998 - states:


Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes ... freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, teaching, practice, and observance.


This freedom is also enshrined in the 1981 UN Declaration referred to above.



to education and Work



Article 28 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child 1989 recognises the basic right to education, and provides for the equal rights of men and women to education (Article 100) and to employment (Article 11).


Article 2 of the First Protocol to the ECHR guarantees everyone living in Europe including the UK the right to have their children educated in conformity with their religious beliefs. According to the Muslim Council of Britain, "Schools are expected to ensure that their uniform policy is sensitive to the Islamic dress code. This should allow children to dress modestly e.g. wearing Hijab."



The National Union of Teachers has drawn up guidelines[1] for schools for their uniform policies. It notes that,"Pupils have a right to dress in accordance with the requirements of their religious beliefs. It should be recognized that for Muslims in particular, the concepts of modesty and dignity in dress carry the status of a religious obligation".



The guidelines suggest that "in most lessons, the wearing of the Hijab or Jilbab would not present a health or safety hazard to either the wearer of the garment or other pupils". There is also advice in areas such as clothing and structure of PE and games classes. Health and safety issues in science and technology lessons could also be addressed by wearing lab-coats with long headscarves tucked inside the collar, or with smaller scarves securely fastened.



Universities cannot now lawfully permit anyone, staff or students, to discriminate directly or indirectly, harass or victimise any member of staff or any student because of their religious beliefs.



Rights in the Workplace



The Employment Equality (Religion or Belief) Regulations came into force in the UK on the 2nd of December 2003. This law provides direct protection against religious discrimination in employment and vocational training. As regards Muslims, the law means that employers have to do their best to accommodate the specific needs of their Muslim employees. In most occupations, Muslim women have the legal right to wear Hijab at work, unless the Hijab becomes a health and safety issue

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#59 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 22:20
Hmm you people in UK are strong as a community. Over here i Belgium/Holland its totally normal to ban the niqaab from schools.

In Brussel there is even a ban of the niqaab and you will get a fine if u dress in a burqa and go outside with it.

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#60 [Permalink] Posted on 6th October 2006 22:44




The Noble Qur'an - Al-Ahzab 33:59

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils)* all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

*the arabic word here is Jalabeeb (plural of Jalbaab), which is the loose outer garment that covers all a woman's body. It says here to use the Jalabeeb to cover all, and scholars say this means to use it to cover her head (agree upon by all scholars) and her face (agreed by many scholars, not all) and one or both eyes, in order for it to be known that she is a free woman and so not to be exposed to any harm.



Hadith - Bukhari 6:282

'Aisha used to say: "When (the Verse): 'They should draw their veils over their necks and bosoms,' was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces."



Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Umm Salamah, Ummul Mu'minin

When the verse "That they should cast their outer garments over their persons" was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows over their heads by wearing outer garments.


The lower half of the hijab is a garment that does not show the woman's figure. Jeans and certain obvious garments do not meet this requirement.

Hadith - Abu Dawud, Narrated Dihyah ibn Khalifah al-Kalbi The Apostle of Allah was brought some pieces of fine Egyptian linen and he gave me one and said: Divide it into two; cut one of the pieces into a shirt and give the other to your wife for veil. Then when he turned away, he said: And order your wife to wear a garment below it and not show her figure.


Prescribed Methods of Covering

Tafseer - Ibn Katheer "Allah commanded the muslim women to cover this sheet on top of them to cover their bodies except one eye, when it is necessary for them to come out of their homes."

Tafseer - Commentary by Ibn Jarir and Ahkam-ul-Quran, Vol.III, p.457 Imam Muhammad bin Sirin said: "When I asked Ubaida bin Sufyan bin al-Harith رضي الله عنه the meaning of this verse and how the jalbaab was to worn, he demonstrated it to me by pulling a sheet of cloth over his head to cover his entire body, leaving the left eye uncovered. This was also the explanation of the word 'Alaihinna in this verse"

Tafseer - Alu'si, Rul-ul-Ma'ani, Vol. 22, p. 89 "Ibn Jarir Tabari and Ibn Al-Mundhir described the method of wearing the jalbaab according to Ibn Abbas رضي الله عنه and Qatadah رضي الله عنه. The sheet should be wrapped around from the top, covering the forehead, then bringing one side of the sheet to cover the face below the eyes so that most of the face and the upper body is covered. This will leave both eyes uncovered (which is allowed in necessity).


Hadith below, narrated by 'Aisha .

In Fathul Bari, chapter Hajj, a tradition reported on the authority of Aisha (RA) says: "A woman in a state of Ihram (during Hajj and Umrah) should stretch her head - cloth over to her face to hide it."

Hadith - Recorded by Ahmad, Abu Dawud and ibn Majah, Narrated 'Aisha

(RA) who said, "The riders would pass us while we were with the Messenger of Allah ). When they got close to us, we would draw our outer cloak from our heads over our faces. When they passed by, we would uncover our faces."

Hadith - Muwatta 20.16 Yahya related to me from Malik from Hisham ibn Urwa that Fatima bint al-Mundhir said, "We used to veil our faces when we were in ihram in the company of Asma bint Abi Bakr as-Siddiq."



Surah Al-Ahzaab - Verse #59 was revealed then the women of Sahaba wore a complete veil and covered the faces and hands. This includes Asmaa (Radhiallaahu �nha) the daughter of Abu Bakr, who is supposed to have narrated this hadeeth. Asmaa (Radhiallaahu �nha) covered herself completely including the face, this has been narrated in authentic hadeeth in Imaam Malik's "MUWATTA Book 20 Hadeeth # 20.5.16."



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The Noble Qur'an - An-Nur 24:30-31

Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, All�h is All-Aware of what they do.



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