Disagreements with people | Ml Ibrahim Dewla

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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 16th July 2025 18:04

Excerpt from Ml Ibrahim Dewla’s speeches and notes.

During the caliphate of Ali (rad), some people rebelled against him. It was a significant rebellion. A battle took place. In that battle, Ali (rad) was victorious. His army was successful. The rebels fled. The general command would be to pursue and uproot them.

His companions said, “They are fleeing. Why do we not cut off their retreat? Why do we not seize their wealth?”

Ali (rad) replied, “They are our brothers (they are not strangers) who rebelled against us.”
(Ikhwanuna Baghaw ‘Alayna)

[Bidayah wal-Nihayah]

They have received the punishment for their rebellion; now let them flee. We are not to deal with them the way we deal with enemies on the battlefield.

Why? Because they are our brothers.

This was the way of Ali (rad) – that even if someone opposes you, he is your brother, so how should you treat him? This can be seen in the life of both Uthman (rad) and Ali (rad).

Uthman (rad) demonstrated patience, while Ali (rad) showed the method for handling such situations.

Yes, even if they oppose us strongly, we still say: they are our brothers. We will overlook and forgive them. We will have differences. There has never been any group in our history in which there were no disagreements.

There were differences among the Companions (rad). But there were proper etiquettes for disagreement.

Disagreement has its place — one doesn’t have to agree just for the sake of it. But disagreements must be done with dignity.

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 16th July 2025 18:36

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Exactly, however they often gang up on you and suppress opinion and view saying they are right when they themselves spread fiction and unverified news.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 16th July 2025 22:09

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But disagreements must be done with dignity.

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There were differences among the Companions (rad). But there were proper etiquettes for disagreement.

I think you missed these parts. Saying "move on" and "get over it" isn't what is being stated here. Do you actually read and comprehend anything?

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 17th July 2025 19:01

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I had a very instructive experience here.

The result of which is that if you want your self-respect, do not argue with religious/ pious people (your view based on your research), they will tear your self-respect to shreds.

It is almost a month, I have shown restrain and put myself in READ ONLY MODE.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 17th July 2025 19:30

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No one tears anyones self respect to shreds.

Respect is gained or respect is lost!

When a simple question is asked and an answer with a simple yes or no cannot be given, then it is the other person who embarrassed themselves and destroys their own self respect.

Any one believing in looney tunes physics loses all credibility and unfortunately, respect too!

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 18th July 2025 07:41

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مفتی شفیع صاحبؒ ایک عجیب بات فرماتے تھے، وہ یہ کہ جہاں بھی کوئ قطعی بات نہیں ہوگی، بلکہ مختلف طرح کے
احتمالات ہوں گے اور کئ آدمی اس پر غور و خوص کر رہے ہوں گے تو وہاں اختلاف رائے کا ہونا ناگزیر ہے، اختلاف رائے نہ ہونے کی صرف دو ہی صورتیں ہیں، یا تو سب کے سب بیوقوف ہوںگے کہ جیسا ایک نے کہا، سب نے ہاں میں ہاں ملادی، یا سب کے سب منافق ہوں کہ رائے تو کچھ اور ہے لیکن؛ ہاں میں ہاں ملانے کے لئے اپنے دل کی رائے پوشیدہ رکھی۔ لیکن اگر منافق بھی نہیں اور بیوقوف بھی نہیں، بلکہ سمجھدار اور دیانتدار ہوں کے تو پھر اختلاف رائے ضرور ہوگا۔

Mufti Shafi Sahib RA had a strange view, that:

Wherever there is no definite conclusion and there are multiple possibilities. And when many people apply their mind over it, then there must be difference of opinion. There are two possibilities that there can be no difference of opinion:

1. All of them are ignorant, that, without applying their mind, they agree with others opinion.
2. They all are hypocrites, they have different personal opinion but they hide it and agree with others opinion.

But if they are neither hypocrites nor fools, but sensible and honest men, then there will be difference of opinion.
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It is tragedy today that everyone is adamant and pushes his view by force.

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 30th July 2025 20:09

## My 9 Days in Tabligh: A Reflection on Blackburn and Dewsbury Markaz

During the summer holidays at the end of July, I had the opportunity to spend **9 days in the path of Allah** with Tabligh Jamaat. I began my time at **Blackburn Markaz**, where I spent one day, before being **tashkilled to Bolton** to continue the remainder of the journey under the **Shura tarteeb**, as Blackburn is aligned with the Shura side. I completed my final day at the well-known **Dewsbury Markaz**, giving me a unique insight into both approaches.

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### 🕌 **Blackburn Markaz: Calm, Consistent, and Structured**

My time in Blackburn began after **Fajr** with a powerful **talk on imaan**—a constant theme throughout my days in jamaat. Afterward, we were treated to a simple but filling breakfast of **tea, biscuits, and eggs**.

At **10:30 AM**, we gathered for **Taleem**, reading from **Fazail-e-Amaal** followed by a short reminder on how to structure one’s time while in jamaat. Lunch was served around **12:30 PM**—usually a traditional menu of curry, roti, and rice, though I happened to be there on a day they served **chicken and chips**—likely due to the summer holidays and the presence of younger brothers.

After **Dhuhr**, we had another **Taleem**, followed by **kalkuzari** (reminders and sharing experiences) until **3 PM**. Tea was served at **5:30 PM**, followed by more **talks and reminders**, and then **Asr**. We would eat **before Maghrib**, followed by another **talk**, and then finish the day with **Isha** and rest.

What stood out in Blackburn was a strong connection to the sayings of **elders who have passed away**, and a steady, consistent rhythm of **amal (actions)**. It felt like a calm and focused space, where **senior brothers** guided things with humility and care.

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### 🕌 **Dewsbury Markaz: Passionate, Organised, and Deeply Driven**

On my final day, I spent time in **Dewsbury Markaz**, which had a slightly different energy. The day started similarly, with a **Fajr talk on imaan**, followed by a lighter **breakfast of tea and biscuits**.

By **10 AM**, Taleem had begun, drawing not just from **Fazail-e-Amaal** and **Fazail-e-Sadaqat**, but also from **Muntakhab Ahadith**. At **11 AM**, there was a talk on how to spend time in jamaat, followed by a **mashwera (consultation)** at **12:15 PM** to decide where the jamaat would be sent next.

Lunch was at **12:45 PM**, and again—thanks to the summer crowd—was **burger and chips** instead of the usual roti and curry. After **Dhuhr**, we had Taleem and kalkuzari until **3 PM**, then **tea at 5 PM**, followed by the **Masjid Abad Tarteeb talk at 6 PM**. This particular tarteeb emphasised how to make the masjid alive with **dawah, taleem, ibadah, and khidmat**.

Before **Asr**, there was another mashwera—this time to allocate who would do which amal for the next 24 hours. After **Asr**, there was a bayan, food before **Maghrib**, **Hayatus Sahabah** reading, and finally, **a talk on imaan and the effort of the night** after **Isha**.

Dewsbury felt more **intense and passionate**, with a bigger emphasis on **sacrifice**, **listening to the Amir**, and **reviving the masjid**. There was also more reference to **Maulana Saad’s bayans**, along with mentions of respected elders like **Hafiz Patel (rahimahullah)** and others who had passed away.

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### 🤝 Common Ground: Brotherhood, Sincerity, and the Effort of Deen

Despite some noticeable **differences in emphasis and structure**, both places had something important in common: **sincere brothers, striving to please Allah**.

* In **Blackburn**, the atmosphere was calm, measured, and full of respect for the legacy of Tabligh.
* In **Dewsbury**, there was more **drive**, especially around **masjid reform and daily sacrifice**.

What I found particularly interesting was the contrast in how **older workers** were more firmly committed to their respective approaches, while **newer brothers** were simply focused on spending time in the path of Allah—**without getting caught up in the divisions**.

Both environments nurtured the soul, encouraged humility, and reminded us of our **duty to convey the message of Islam**, starting with ourselves.

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### 🌙 Final Thoughts

Spending time in jamaat, whether in Blackburn or Dewsbury, was a spiritually grounding experience. It reminded me of the importance of **simple living, collective effort, and sincere intention**. And while differences in approach exist, the goal remains the same: to **revive the connection between Muslims and Allah**, and to live lives inspired by the example of Rasulullah ﷺ.

May Allah unite the hearts of all those working for His deen, and accept even our smallest efforts.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 30th July 2025 20:57

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Tashkeel (or Tashkeeled) would've been a better choice in spelling. May Allah accept your intention and keep it sincere

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 31st July 2025 15:11

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Spending time in jamaat, whether in Blackburn or Dewsbury, was a spiritually grounding experience. It reminded me of the importance of simple living, collective effort, and sincere intention. And while differences in approach exist, the goal remains the same: to revive the connection between Muslims and Allah, and to live lives inspired by the example of Rasulullah ﷺ.

May Allah unite the hearts of all those working for His deen, and accept even our smallest efforts.
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 4th August 2025 16:24

Can you please share karguzari of both the marakiz in London for 1 year, or whatever period.
like...... how many active saathees are there who are regular in gashth and daily mulaqaats, number of 3 days jamaath (average per month)

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