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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2025 15:21
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There was unity and agreement to NOT follow Saudi Arabia in UK but from what I understand, 1 group who initially agreed, turned around the following year. Then everything went down hill and stayed down since. Unfortunately, it was a deobandi group of scholars
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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2025 16:43
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what is the salafees and Barelvi's opinion on this.
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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2025 16:53
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unfortunately this issue is similar to the behavior of politician. Depending on whether the MP represents the ruling party or opposition, he scripts his speech he delivers in parliament house. He can script both pro and against the subject being discussed.

Similarly if ulema are convinced, they can get the jawaz for the ruling. For that they have to control their zeal and ignore the appreciation words "Our shaykh is very strict in taqwa, he won't give up".

Also the common muslims must stop appreciating the "powerful taqwa of the Shaykh"
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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2025 18:27
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Happened in 1985.
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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2025 18:29
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The brelwis used to follow Pakistan in 80s n 90s, then it got switched to local / morocco past 15 years. Some brelwis in uk follow saudi.
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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 31st May 2025 18:46
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To follow saudi, pak or morocco, there is no nass (concrete proof) as evidence.


It is purely based on interpretation and the process of interpretation starts with whom the interpreter is biased with.

So, I feel consensus is possible. Today the freedom offered by secular governments is misused and zeal is dictating us. if situation changes then we shall control our zeal and we get moderate and we shall work for unity.
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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 1st June 2025 12:47
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Brother Saracen1 has correctly mentioned the Barelwi view. But in the UK, the Barelwi are not like those in India. They are predominantly Pakistani. The Indian Barelwi masjid follow Saudi.

As for the Salafi masjids, back in the 80's they were a minority and they did agree with a united criteria. However, even they looked at the Barelwi and followed.

Even till now, we share Saudi fatwa to state that the UK Muslims must not follow Saudi. Yet the Salafi, Ghair Muqallid etc don't even follow f their own scholars in this aspect. Very odd. It's just proves that they have very little understanding of fiqh in this issue.

They remain silent when we ask them and quote their own scholars.

Back to the Barelwi, they also have schools of thoughts when it comes to moon sighting and correct salah times, especially during these 3 months of perpetual twilight. And as the deobandi, they too have 2 schools of thoughts.
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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 1st June 2025 18:48
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when we discuss moon sighting issue in groups, we think that we are sharing correct knowledge to ordinary/non practicing/liberal muslim brothers , but these brothers laugh at us and declare "Mullahs are fighting and we are enjoying it".

I understand it is similar situation in UK, may be, you also hear this "technology has taken humans to moon and mullahs are fighting where is moon"
I recall mufti shafi sab RA "the pious are in minority in society and they fight with each other"


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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 1st June 2025 20:20
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Refer to final fatwa from darul deoband which clearly states follow local or nearest Muslim lands.

Not from a country where moonsighting is dubious and untrustworthy.

One of the saudi followers in uk produced a valid deoband fatwa saying ok to follow saudi.

It was hilarious that no one looked at the date, the fatwa was given in mid 80s saying after communication problems with morocco it was ok to follow saudi.
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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd June 2025 15:14
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Need clarifications from brothers in UK who follow Saudia.

You follow Saudia, but Saudia follows no one. They depend only on Saudi sighting. Although their fiqh says accept moon sighting if the place is in the East.

Once eidul fitr was celebrated a day earlier in Afghanistan

In Pakistan's Khyber pakhtoon, for many years eid was celeberated a day earlier than Saudi.

This year dhul hijjah, hilal in Indonesia was declared hours before saudia sighting. And for decades, Malaysia, Japan, Australia, hilal sighting is declared hours before Saudia. Then what is the necessity of saudia's independent hilal sighting attempts.

conclusion: Uk follows saudi, but saudia follows none.

Niger and Mali also had celebrated eid a day before saudia.
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