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#61 [Permalink] Posted on 5th July 2024 16:45

Muslims managed to get 4 independent pro-Gaza candidates elected. Adnan Hussain in Blackburn, Shockat Adam in Leicester, Muhammed Iqbal in Dewsbury, and Ayoub Khan in Birmingham Perry Barr.

We came razor close in 8 others seats. Where Muslims almost won.

Note: For an independent candidate to win a seat in the British Parliament is notoriously difficult Independent candidates hardly ever win. So this is a seismic shift in so many ways. And if we keep up the momentum we may make a very crucial impact in 5 years.

We need to be better organised, and United as a community. And also educate our older generation as to how modern politics works.

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#62 [Permalink] Posted on 7th July 2024 09:59

UK elections results are in news, Indian muslims are appreciating that 6% muslims have proportional 25 MPs in parliament.

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#63 [Permalink] Posted on 7th July 2024 12:37

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It comes down to quality over quantity, and sadly to date the quality has been lacking.

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#64 [Permalink] Posted on 7th July 2024 13:20

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Rushanara Ali
Shabana Mahmood
Rupa Haque
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#65 [Permalink] Posted on 7th July 2024 13:20

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Today we can't expect quality. They will not do any harm to us, that only we can expect from politicians.

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#66 [Permalink] Posted on 7th July 2024 13:36

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Unfortunately we have those as well who work against the Muslim community for their own personal interests. And actively support anti-muslim policies.

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#67 [Permalink] Posted on 7th July 2024 14:41

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What are you even on about?

How many of these Muslim MPs who have retained their seats had voted for ceasefire motion in November. If they didn't then they did harm muslims of gaza.

One of the Muslim MPs defeated in this election was Khalid Mahmood. He had actively worked against interest of Muslims but according to your logic he was harmless.

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#68 [Permalink] Posted on 7th July 2024 15:16

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Before 2014, we Indians were believing that politicians are harming muslims.

Now we know what harming is.

We muslims were spoiled by pampering by politicians to get elected. We expected too much.

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#69 [Permalink] Posted on 7th July 2024 16:05

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No one cares about your Ganga–Jamuni Tehzeeb. This thread is about UK elections. I gave you a clear example of Khalid Mahmood but you are still talking in riddles. Muslims will vote for an honest man like jermy corbyn over any other muslim MPs I have mentioned today. We don't care how many Muslims MPs there are in the parliament.

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#70 [Permalink] Posted on 8th July 2024 00:08

The far right parties were expected to win but instead came third. France now faces a period of limbo as none of the three main blocs - left, central and right is in a position to govern alone.

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#71 [Permalink] Posted on 8th July 2024 02:58

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CAN WE BE MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT?

QUESTION:
Al Jama-ah is a political party in South Africa. We are aware of the stance of the Mujlisul Ulama of S.A. on the issue of participation in non-Muslim politics. There are about 2 million Muslims in South Africa. If the Muslim community has no Voice in Parliament and in the provincial and municipal tiers of government, who will speak on behalf of them? There is a range of issues and needs of the Muslim community, both religious and secular. But there is no Muslim Voice to address the authorities in the national and provincial governments regarding the needs of the Muslim community. Given this situation, what scope is there in the Shariah for Muslims to act as representatives of the Muslim community in the different tiers of government? If there is any such scope, what are the guidelines?

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Allah Ta'ala says in the Qur'aan: "Those who do not rule according to that (Shariah) which Allah has revealed, verily they are the kaafiroon." This aayat as well as other Qur'aanic Verses and Ahaadith explicitly and emphatically prohibit participation in non-Muslim politics. It is not permissible for Muslims to be part of the law-making process of governments. The only law for Muslims is the Shariah.

It is conceded that the Muslim community has many needs and we face problems from time to time. In fact, recently these problems are on the increase. Interacting with the authorities is an undeniable and an imperative reality. Circumstances compel Muslims in non-Muslim countries and even in Muslim countries which are all today governed by kufr secular law, to make use of the non-Muslim systems for our needs. For example, the court system is haraam; the police system is haraam; the taxation system is haraam; the municipal system is haraam; the banking system is haraam; in short, every system of secular government is haraam, be it the parliamentary, provincial or the municipal system. But, circumstances compel Muslims to participate in all of these systems to gain fulfillment of their needs. Participation to the degree of need is permissible.

It will be permissible for a Muslim to become a member of the national or provincial parliament on condition that he does not become a party to the law-making process. His presence in parliament must be only as a Voice for Muslims. His obligation will be to speak in the interests of the Muslim community and to fight for their needs, both secular and religious. It will be haraam for him to join in the voting for any law which infringes the Shariah.

Currently, while there are some 'Muslim' members of parliament, they are not voices for Muslims. They are voices for Shaitaan. They are active participants in kufr politics. They simply toe the party line and vote for whatever haraam rubbish the party disgorges. They come within the purview of the above-cited Qur'aanic aayat. They are sell-outs - traitors who have betrayed

Islam and the Muslim community. Never do they speak up for Muslims.

Thus, if you Al-Jama-ah members can give the Muslim community the following undertaking:

THAT YOU WILL ONLY BE A VOICE FOR THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY
THAT YOU WILL SPEAK FOR THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY
THAT YOU WILL TAKE THE NEEDS OF THE MUSLIM COMMNUNITY TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT, AND
THAT YOU WILL NOT BECOME PART OF THE LAW-MAKING PROCESS

Then it will be permissible for Muslims to vote for you. But this still excludes females since there is no arrangement for safeguarding their Hijaab in the prevailing voting scenario.

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UNITED ULAMA COUNCIL OF S.A. (UUCSA)

MUJLISUL ULAMA OF S.A.

JAMIATUL ULAMA OF S.A.

JAMIATUL ULAMA GAUTENG

JAMIATUL ULAMA WESTERN CAPE

JAMIATUL ULAMA EASTERN CAPE

MA'HADUL ULAMA WESTERN CAPE

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#72 [Permalink] Posted on 8th July 2024 09:29

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1. for a right muslim MP to get elected, there must be more than 50% concentration of muslims. Do we have that concentration. If exists then 5 to 10 muslim candidates will contest and some one else gets elected.
2. I quote Ali Mian Nadvi RA "Either you send right people to seat of power or you reform the people who are in power"

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#73 [Permalink] Posted on 9th July 2024 15:44

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Every political leader in the liberal West is forced to formally commit to unconditional support for any military action Israel takes - including outright genocide.

Jeremy Corbyn
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#74 [Permalink] Posted on 9th July 2024 17:01

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Mr. Indian Akbar, on what Shari' basis have you made it a Wajib command for the Muslims in India to participate in voting?

Please provide evidence from senior Ulama who say that it is Wajib and the Nusoos they use to justify their ruling of Wujoob.

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#75 [Permalink] Posted on 9th July 2024 17:20

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In India we would wish to restore a democratic system which
Will not lynch us
Will not buldoze our houses and masjids
Will not stop us from halal slaughter and halal certification.
Will not tear hijab of our daughters
Will not be a criminal act to offer salah at public place while travelling
Will not make nikah and talaq a criminal act.
Many more....
These are happening now....
So minorities can change or mitigate the damage through vote.

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