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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2023 17:00
Salam my brother abu mohammed,

I have returned to address you only. I won't bother with the others that want to believe in fantasies. I have been deeply occupied with the Palestine situation but I've been reading all the posts here.

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Personally, I have agreed with all his works so far as far as I can remember, except for one :) The Dinosaurs. He says one thing whilst I say that there must've been animals huge enough to be a regular size for the giants that humans once were, eg. T-Rex could've just been a bigger chicken for those giants of the past and Allah knows best. ;)


I do believe that animals were larger before. There's evidence for this in the bones.
What I don't believe in is the Dinosaurs as perceived nowadays. They find a tooth and build a fantasy animal based on that tooth. This isn't science, it's fantasy.

To date, there is absolutely zero scientific evidence for the dinosaurs (T-Rex etc.) All skeletons found in the positions they died resemble other living animals but they lizaridise the skeleton. They need the dinosaurs to back up their evolution claims. The Earth is proven to be 10's of thousands of years old through so many means so the millions of years ago dinosaurs holds no value in real science.
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2023 17:35
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1. What was the height of Adam and Hawwa Alaihissalam
2. Can we estimate the size of crow which taught humans to bury their dead.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 17th December 2023 18:00
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2023 03:52
THE ORIGIN OF MANKIND
Recently there was a heated debate in Israel on the question of the origin of mankind on earth. Dr. Shlomi Lesser of the Hebrew University and chairman of a society of atheist Israeli scientists had engaged ultra-orthodox rabbis on the issue of the origin of mankind.
Dr. Lesser: “How tall was the first man?”
Rabbi Brown: “Roughly the size of an average man according to Jewish sages.”
Dr. Lesser: “Genetic research has revealed that the human race coming from a single pair of parents is impossible in light of the biological bottleneck (a term for the strain put on successive generations by inbreeding) they would have to travel through. Our research, in conjunction with the research of other respected institutions around the world, has demonstrated that the entire human population descending from a single pair of human ancestors is highly unlikely. It would seem that the traditional view of groups, not individuals, evolving has been corroborated. The only way man could descend from a single pair is if the original pair were literally giants in the pre-nutrition age. Genetic evidence revealed that man would have been shrinking if he came from a single human ancestor. In order for the human race to reach the state it was in during the 17th century, the Adam and Eve story would only be plausible if the first man was 90 feet tall. There is no other way man could traverse the genetic bottleneck. If Adam was the size of any other man, it demonstrates an obvious absurdity to this myth.”
Surprisingly, the Rabbi supposedly an expert of the Torah and Yahudi religious history, was unable to debunk the myth and fallacy of the atheist scientist. In fact, the scientific theory which the atheist had propounded confirms the truth of mankind’s origin from a single pair of human beings. The scientist acknowledged, albeit grudgingly, that the “Adam and Eve story was plausible only if they were 90 feet tall”. This is exactly what Islam contends that Hadhrat Aadam (alayhis salaam) was 60 cubits tall. Hadhrat Abu Hurairah (radhiyallahu anhu) narrated that Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said: “The height of Aadam was sixty cubits. Everyone who will enter Jannat will be in the form of Aadam (alayhis salaam) and his height will be sixty cubits. Then (i.e. after his creation) people continued decreasing (in size) until this time.” (Musannaf Abdur Razzaaq, etc.) A cubit is an ancient measurement of 18 inches or one and half feet. Thus 60 cubits equal 90 feet, exactly as the atheist scientist had calculated in terms of their scientific ‘bottleneck’ theory. The scientist also expounded that according to genetic evidence man would have been shrinking if he came from a single human ancestor. This is precisely stated in the Hadith that after the creation of Aadam (alayhis salaam), man continued shrinking until he reached his present size. The ‘obvious absurdity’ could be directed to the claim of the Yahudi Rabbi who had erroneously said that Hadhrat Aadam’s height was the size of today’s average man. The error of the Rabbi served a good purpose. If the Rabbi had been aware of the history of the Ambiya, he would have stated the correct height of Aadam (alayhis salaam). The scientist would then have resorted to chicanery and would have blindly and irrationally rejected the claim as a myth. But, now the scientist on the basis of his own scientific ‘bottleneck’ theory is stuck in a bottleneck. The scientist now has no scientific theory to dismiss as a myth the religious version that mankind originated from Aadam and Hawwaa (alayhimas salaam). Any rejection will be emotional and irrational, not scientific. Science has substantiated the veracity of the religious claim.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2023 04:05
Now that it is established that Adam alayhis Salam was 90 Feet then shouldn't it be safe to assume that the animals were of proportionate size during their time. Habil and Qabil had to sacrifice cattle, so obviously they used it for milk and meat. If it was the size it is today then those are pretty small utters to get milk out of. As time passed the animals also got smaller and smaller.

The bones they find could be of apex predators that were just larger in size.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2023 10:29
@super-glue

Glad to see your still with us and not extinct (from the forum) :)

Glad to know, where still on the same page. Alhumdulillah
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 18th December 2023 11:49
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 14th January 2024 13:38
The intriguing dialogue between the atheist scientist and the Rabbi unveils a fascinating intersection of science and religious narratives. The acknowledgment that the "Adam and Eve story was plausible only if they were 90 feet tall" aligns with Islamic teachings, affirming that Hadhrat Aadam (alayhis salaam) was indeed 60 cubits tall, providing an interesting convergence of scientific and religious perspectives.
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