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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 17th March 2007 09:18
like admin says, the whol mehndi gathering is an imitation of the hindi tradition, whether it be a few sisters or a whole load, coz we immitating something we shouldnt be.

its a bit like celebrating easter with either a few people or a whole load, and by calling it a mehndi party well thats just putting the stamp on it.

if its done for personal beautification and not held on specific occasions like weddings, then i think its ok. it would be interesting to see the ulema's opinion on this, as all sisters have mehndi applied on their hands before they get married, and its always done a couple of days before the wedding when theres loads of people around, so even without the intention of holding a gathering it becomes one.


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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 17th March 2007 18:29
Okay putting mehndi on isn't a hindu tradition Right? Gathering of a few girls and women 3 weeks before the bride's wedding isn't wrong?? Is it....
Why not get all the girls together while putting henna on their hands and give a bayhan (marriage talk).


This topic reminds me of what my friend went through, both the husband and wife wanted no party full stop (wedding or medndi), but there was so much pressure from parents, family and community, I felt sorry for them as become helpless...


For some reason if you tell your family you don't want this and that in your wedding as its unislamic, they get upset and annoyed at you, "I know whats good for you, as it was us who found you this good man/woman, we your parents we know better"??? One of life dilemma which you can sometimes overcome by being a bit stubborn as my friend did?

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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 17th March 2007 20:09
this is just my view, which by the way isnt all that so feel free to correct me,

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Okay putting mehndi on isn't a hindu tradition Right?
it is a hindu tradition, but at the same time it would be correct to say in Islam to apply mehndi is permissable

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Gathering of a few girls and women 3 weeks before the bride's wedding isn't wrong??
(mehndi gathering/party/getting together for such purposes) think this is wrong, because such gatherings are imitating the hindu tradition

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Why not get all the girls together while putting henna on their hands and give a bayhan (marriage talk).
because to commit a sin (by holding such a gathering ) and then have someone do a bayan on top, think its disrespectful and making a mockery of deen

sorry to be a bit blunt rujie, not trying to make a personal attack or anything, just a personal view.

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For some reason if you tell your family you don't want this and that in your wedding as its unislamic, they get upset and annoyed at you,
what is more important offending family or offending and breaking the laws of Allah swt?

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The best thing to do suggest is to put the question to a mufti yourself


rujie if you are still unsure of what the posts say in this thread, it would be beneficial to refer your uncertaintys to a authentic and reliable mufti, like muslimah has suggested.




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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 19th March 2007 17:52
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Agree with Sis Talibah,,,just want to add few things ,,if we celeberate HOLYY and DEEWAALii with full fleged segregation and partition and above all we arrange BAYAN of any aalim at these kinda parties ,,,think yourself what your heart says is it ryt?? so is the case with mehndi when we dont find anything such in islamic history any such celeberation festival gathering then y r we intended too do such things,,,and as far as PArents are concerned just read the translation of this ayath from surath LUQMAN 15. "But if they strive to make thee join in worship with Me things of which thou hast no knowledge, obey them not; yet bear them company in this life with justice (and consideration), and follow the way of those who turn to me (in love): in the end the return of you all is to Me, and I will tell you the truth (and meaning) of all that ye did."


Fee AMan ALlah

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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 20th March 2007 09:41
i asked mufti yasin today at fajr.


My question was if a women just before her wedding appIied henna to herseIf to beautify herseIf for her husband with the aid/heIp of a few sisters (i.e the Ieast possibIe). This wiII happen without pressure on her from anyone eIse to appIy it (i.e its totaIIy up to her to wear it or not) and no shar'ee ruIes whatsoever wiII be bent/broken i.e extravagant expenses, missed saIaats, singing, music, mixed gatherings etc and other such stuff?


He answered if she's doing it soIeIy to beautify herseIf for her husband and no shar'ee ruIes whatsoever are bent/broken then its ok.

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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 20th March 2007 09:53
just a few comments from me - in future it wouId be wise to wait for someone to confirm such things with uIama rather then to act on ones instincts. Giving opinions that "i think such and such......... but not 100% sure so best to consuIt" is ok but unIess your an aaIim or aaIimah giving quotes from quran and hadith without the knowIedge behind these nooraniat words it not advisabIe.

secondIy aIot of young brothers and sisters i think (my opinion onIy) in this day and age get carried away aII too quickIy with the "biddah! biddah! biddah! This is more or Iess a pattern of present times amonst our young between ages of say 16 - 25 (and kinda reminds me of ghair mukaIideen and saIafi). I do reIaise there are things our community and those of others do that are truIy biddah but before saying such things either directIy or indirectIy it wouId be advisabIe to actuaIIy confirm it properIy with reputabIe uIama first.



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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 20th March 2007 12:08
that's what forums are about, sharing opinions, thoughts and views and learning from each other.
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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2007 08:42
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Salams
This topic has been on my mind for a while now but I haven't really found the the time to write it up properly as a blog post. This is why I decided to post it up here, so we can view some different opinions and views on the matter as well.



Mendhi or Mehndi parties seem to be a very common part of the wedding preparations or celebrations in asian culture. As time has gone by they have been perceived by some as being an Islamic thing.



In some cases Muslims can spend large sums of money on these Mehndi parties (for sure some people have probably had even cheaper weddings). In my youth I recall a friend telling me of a Mendhi where a hall was hired for the occasion, music was played, men and women freely mixed and dancing even took place. Whilst most may not go this extreme, they instead have a video showing the blushing bride as she has Mendhi applied to her uncovered lower legs and arms. This video is then circulated amongst the hands of all and sundry of her family and friends circle, and therefore inevitably watched by many non mahrams to the bride.



What really worried me and caused me to consider writing a piece on the subject was that I was informed that on one occasion because the bride had mendhi on her hands, she saw fit to perform tayammum only and then performed her salaah. Another incident mentioned that the bride performed her Isha salaah before Isha time actually commenced because the lady to apply mendhi had arrived and previously recommended to her it needs to be on for so many hours to give proper colour.



The purpose of Mendhi, I assume, on this occasion is to beautify oneself for their future husband. How can one ever displease Allah swt by flouting His command and sacred laws for the sake of pleasing her future husband? In any case, is there no workable solution where one can put mendhi on without compromising their obligations to the deen? Here I will stop and invite you to leave your comments, stories, views and criticisms regarding what I have written above.



Wasalam



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Daywalker brother u r cent percent ryt one should concern an aalim or a mufti by putting any opinion in the matters of islam ,,,but my respcted brother with all du respect when there is a collective authentic ruling is already put fwded by ulmae kirma then one must share it with others in respect of and in accordance of quran and sunnath,,,


the questions in the starting post of the topic is very much clear isnt it ,,,


respect your words and waiting for a healthy advise jazakAllah


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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2007 10:48
Aslamualykum, I have just been reading this topic and as I am not an aalimah would just like to speak from expereince. In the original message that started this topic, I was reminded of the dilemma that I had when putting mehndi on before my own wedding. I had a summer wedding and found that I may have to 'compromise' my salah in order to leave my mehndi on for a few hours. However, on further contemplation I realised that I had to rectify my intention. I put my mehndi on after Zuhr salah (giving me a good few hours before Asr salah) with the intention that I would take it off for Asr and Insha'Allah as I was doing this to fulfill the commands of Allah سبحانه وتعالى, HE would bless me always. Alhamdulillah, this has turned out to be soooo true. All I have to say is that don't ever compromise your Salah for a few hours of 'pleasure' and try to avoid displeasing Allah at any time before the beginning of your marriage as this will help your marriage to succeed Insha' Allah. Please forgive me if I have said anything worng and rectify my mistakes.
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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2007 10:53
WasaIaams - that is the answer from one of the mufti/uIama from amongst this board and shouId be respected. if you want to further query the answer i suggest you post your question to the board direct rather then starting a thread on expIanations on the answer given as me or you (and most others on this board) i'm sure are not thoroughIy quaiIfied to go in to the deep in's and out's of masaiI or how certain uIama arrived at the concIusion they have. wasaIaams.

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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2007 11:37
my post was not heresay although i have placed 'i think' or 'may be' it is just a polite way of passing on a correct message which has already been clarified with an authentic alim/mufti which guidance has always been utilised, it is written as such to give the reader adivse without being authoritive, as in my personal opinion to give a direct insensitive yes or no, can have an adverse reaction to one trying to rectify their lives.

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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2007 11:49
probs may be best for aII to just cIose this thread and draw a Iine under it now?? (my Iast post on this thread)
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2007 19:10
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on further contemplation I realised that I had to rectify my intention. I put my mehndi on after Zuhr salah (giving me a good few hours before Asr salah) with the intention that I would take it off for Asr and Insha'Allah as I was doing this to fulfill the commands of Allah , HE would bless me always. Alhamdulillah, this has turned out to be soooo true.


Alhamdulillah a very sincere intention, may Allah swt grant all sisters in such positions to make the same intention, by placing the laws of Allah swt first before worldy pleasures, may Allah swt remain being pleased with you and keep your marriage blessed. jzk for posting

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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2007 19:20
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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 21st March 2007 21:44
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WasaIaams - that is the answer from one of the mufti/uIama from amongst this board and shouId be respected. if you want to further query the answer i suggest you post your question to the board direct rather then starting a thread on expIanations on the answer given as me or you (and most others on this board) i'm sure are not thoroughIy quaiIfied to go in to the deep in's and out's of masaiI or how certain uIama arrived at the concIusion they have. wasaIaams.


exactly brother nobody is challenging any ruling neither me nor any one else,,who are we to say anything to ulmae kiram's opinion or put our thoughts n ideas,,,but your first post in which u said

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Giving opinions that "i think such and such......... but not 100% sure so best to consuIt" is ok but unIess your an aaIim or aaIimah giving quotes from quran and hadith without the knowIedge behind these nooraniat words it not advisabIe.

every body who was participating in the discussion thought u said it to him n her,,thats why atleast me replied if i said anything wrong kindly do correct me please

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