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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 4th May 2023 14:59
Also we can discuss on non-Aalim secular education graduates who did wonders globally in Tableeghi jamaath.

I place Hajee Farooq sahib DB of Bangalore in top of the list, he is a graduate in commerce, a businessman, today he is a member of world shura. Serving deen since 1970. A non-Alim delivers bayan in Raiwind and Tongi.

Similarly Dr Nadir Ali Khan RA, Col Ameeruddin sab DB, Dr Sanaullah sahib, Prof Abdur rahman RA of chennai, Engineer shameem sahib of Bihar, Dr Khalid Siddiqui sab of Aligarh, Hafiz Patel sahib of London. Doctors group and IT groups of Bangalore, India doing wonders all over India. They travel across India to do mahnath on brothers in their respective professions.

Members can add more such elders names.
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 4th May 2023 15:04
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a list of famous Islamic Celebrities / Preachers that used to go in Jamaat
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 5th May 2023 15:44
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We hear from elders, "from day one if the brothers who joined tableegh would have continued with tableeg, our marakiz would had to be reconstructed or expanded. But once a tableeghi is always a tableeghi......

  • Which ever tahreek he would have joined, he will quote the tarteeb of mashwarah, its execution, good relations with fellow tableeghis and general masses etc
  • He shall defend tableeghi, he shall clear the misconceptions about TJ by zealots from his new group .
  • He shall recommend; new reverts, non-practicing muslims to send them in jamaath for their reformation. And he shall quote his positive experiences in tableegh.
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 5th May 2023 16:49
Take the Stamford Hill mosque, its TJ heydays were in the 80's and 90's now the TJ movement is a shadow of it formerself, the local new gujju generation realise they must give equal or more importance to their children's education rather than TJ activities in order to survive/progress in life.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 5th May 2023 17:10
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Let me quote an incident experienced by a local sathees:

Once this brother X was sitting in company of an imam of masjid. A barelvi brother approached Imam sahib and shouted...
" These tableeghees spend, spend and spend. They travel globally, they host and feed the visiting jamaaths, they spend on ijtemas... etc. huge spending. In comparison, their source of income... 40 days.... shop is locked, 3 days .... shop is locked, ijtema .... shop is locked...... If I close the shop for one day, my family shall starve.....How is this happening..... All indications are that there is a sponsoring agency... I have spread spies all over.. When we succeed, I shall publicize the results. make hoardings and place near all masajid of city.."

Poor barelvi friend, his eyes couldn't see the barakah and nusrath of Allah... 10 in return for one pound/dollar.

Many of Our friends have expressed that their financial position has improved exponentially after joining TJ.

But some one into haraam income, not listening to mashwarah of elders, he had to suffer.
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 5th May 2023 17:17
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Problem is, people dont care about your stories anymore, they want to improve their lives, they see the struggles their children face and its up to them.
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 5th May 2023 17:22
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I am not trying to convince the gujrati brothers, I am trying to clear your misconceptions.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2023 01:54
let us return to OP.

If somone aspires for self progress, TJ is not the right platform.

He may have to do the same 5 aamaal, visit muslim brothers in his neighbor hood, request/beg with brothers living in slums and huts, beg the rickshaw pullers, street vendors to visit masjid. Teach kalima and basic deen to the villagers. Repeat n number of times the same 6 qualities.

Can't expect appreciations from any corner. Rather you will be targeted for not spending time in tableeg, they demand the same zeal you had in your young days. I mean demand to offer the same qurbani with same zeal.

Of course, janazah attendees will have large numbers, qurbanis will be recalled and duas will be offered to get the best returns in Aakhirah, local sathees will miss you, recall your services, but after you. not in your life.

DZN would have ended up as an unknown sathee of his local masjid in Mumbai.
Many qitaal fee sabeelillah sathees who could bring freedom to lands would have ended up with as an unknown sathee. Their strengths would have been wasted.

So if some one has aspirations to do some thing bigger, want to be in limelight on social media, TJ is not the right platform for them.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2023 02:19
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Offering qurbani in TJ has doubts. majority of muftis agree that Inviting muslims in TJ is just a mubaah amal (ordinary amal which is neither obligatory nor sunnah), Minority group assures virtues similar to fee sabeelillah. After new research by muftis, if there is change regarding grading of qurbani offered in TJ, it must be publicized.

DZN efforts made tens of thousand to revert. In TJ, what is the result of my life long effort, nothing visible...... die as an ordinary sathee without witnessing results.

It is important to witness results to get motivated, when a brother reverts with my efforts, I am witnessing the result with my own eyes.

A Muslim returning to masjid.... so what!! it was his obligation he did that, what did I get. A muslim dies without aamaal, jannat is guaranteed at some stage. If revert brother would have died without imaan, eternal failure in aakhirah!!!
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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2023 15:07
The whole world agrees including muftis and scholars of ahle haq agree and give approval What DZN and Company doing is "Real and genuine dawat".

TJs inviting muslims is pseudo dawah. No mufti or aalim approves TJ practices, dawah and practices of TJ is a mubah amal, neither it is an obligation nor it is compulsory for muslims. Its approval is not available from sahabah and other salaf period.
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2023 15:18
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We can all agree that going TJ is not obligatory.
I have to correct you that majority of scholars does approve TJ, although they may not be involved or even support it.
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2023 15:26
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Sir, is Mewat not a visible outcome of the efforts of Maulana Ilyas RA? What was Mewat before his efforts and what is Mewat after his efforts? Again what about South Africa and the efforts of Bhai Padiya RA? What about the efforts of Hazrath Dr Sanaullah Sahab in France?

Our akabir have stressed that the aim of TJ is "deen key tamaam shobo ko paani pohonchana" i.e., vitalize all efforts of deen.

If people are turning to madaris and khanqahs, what brought about this zeal in the lives of common folk? What other effort exists that goes door to door, shop to shop, person to person, village to village, and calls them back to the masajid?

Isn't it a visible sign of the effort of TJ that we are seeing the Pakistani cricket team perform salah with jamaath in the stadium?

Social media offers a very narrow view of what is actually going on in the world. There is no substitute to traveling the world and meeting people to get an idea of what the world is really like. Living vicariously through social media is like living vicariously through books. They can convey information pretty well, emotions not so much.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2023 15:41
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TJ is not an obligation, but can't understand why TJs spend their energies, sacrifice their self respect, sacrifice their hard earned money, dent their business/career....all this for an ordinary mubah amal.
Scholars won't guarantee any returns in aakhirah, because it is not proven from seerah....
But... TJs continue... Can't understand this.......
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 6th May 2023 23:36
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I can't understand this question, why do you even do some optional acts of worship like giving sadaqah or optional prayers?

Going Tabligh is one of the ways how an ordinary person can get involved in Da'wah.

We all know the many importance of giving Dawa from the Sunnah. And like I have said before Sharia has never dictated any one specific method of Dawah.

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 7th May 2023 01:56
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There are many fatwa by muftis that aayah and ahadith of dawah and fi Sabilillah can't be used by tablighis, it is a tahreef of quran and sunnah.

As you said, Tabligh is an optional act like 4 rakat of ishraq, that's all.... Poor tablighis they offer everything they have for an optional act...
May Allah guide the tablighis. Aameen.
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