The Majlis silent on Saad Kandhalvi

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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2023 13:13

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May be You are not against tablighi jamaath.

But knowingly or unknowingly denting tableeghi jamaath. Harming the tableeghi jamaath.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2023 14:55

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We can ask the muftis in your town the following fatwah.
"there is a small town in my place, here a marriage ceremony is taking place. The bride groom is maternal uncle, (bride's mother's brother). A visiting jamaath tries to abort this marriage. The locals are adamant. They claim there are tens of such families in the town, nothing new to them."

Let us not be in debating mode, calm down and kindly answer this.

who is responsible for this.
What is the responsibility every brother in ummah towards this have. What is the responsibility on south African brothers for this.
What is the hukm on the visiting jamaath.... mubah, mustahib, sunnah, wajib, fardh, fardh e kifayah, fardh e ayn.
What rewards do the visiting jamaath gets for this.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2023 15:03

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Why not show the same attitude or "fikr" as in other places.
You said (for something else in our Deen):

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Non acceptance... We don't accept it, we don't practice it.

Prevention.. No energy left, so no zeal to prevent it.

Double standards?

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there is a small town in my place,

Then you ask, who is responsible for this!
Prevention and education from the start would've been ideal. At the same time, focus on the next generation too, else, it will continue.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2023 15:19

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Prevention and education from the start would've been ideal. At the same time, focus on the next generation too, else, it will continue.

Whose responsibility is this?
What is hukm on this effort, mubah, mustahib, sunnah, wajib, fardh, fardh e kifayah, fardh e ayen
What are the rewards for this.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2023 15:33

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Non acceptance... We don't accept it, we don't practice it.

Prevention.. No energy left, so no zeal to prevent it.

It hurts to hear such words, doesn't it?

Again, this is in your area. It's your responsibility. But you have no energy left, so then it moves onto the next people and so on.

These people allowed one lie and let it continue until it became custom. Should've been stopped at the start. But perhaps the people had no zeal to prevent it. Maybe this attitude also came from those of the past!

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2023 15:43

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Again, this is in your area. It's your responsibility.

So we request Majlis to leave us, don't send your guidance through missiles to Indian sub continent.

alhamdulillah We are handling it, we continue to handle the situation. There are positive results, we are happy with positive results.

We are reforming the present generations, and sowed the seeds of islah for more coming generations.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 13th April 2023 17:31

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Non acceptance... We don't accept it, we don't practice it.

We silently move on...

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Prevention.. No energy left, so no zeal to prevent it.

We have limited resources, cadre, time and energy. And we have tasks like:

Stopping irtidad.
Stopping the qadiyanis onslaught, the hadith rejectors, the liberals who corrupt the mind that there is nothing like jannat or jahannam, the Aethiests. Corruption of imaan, abandoning the faraiz like salah, saum, zakat and haj.

The day we get enough resources, after completion of other quoted major tasks, we shall tackle, salat o salam before azan, kissing the thumbs on hearing the name of prophet, standing for salah jamaath after hearing haiyya alas salah, saying fatihah in collective dua etc. etc.

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It hurts to hear such words, doesn't it?

Yeah it hurts to witness, an haram act is happening in our presence, I mean the marriage of uncle and neice. So in this town, our immediate task is stop this, not bidah acts happening in the town.

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Again, this is in your area. It's your responsibility. But you have no energy left, so then it moves onto the next people and so on.

For your information this town is 7 hours journey from my city and I was calling it "my place"

I have asked the majlis zealots a few questions, you can also answer this.

On marriage of maternal uncle with neice.

Whose responsibility is this?
What is hukm on this effort, mubah, mustahib, sunnah, wajib, fardh, fardh e kifayah, fardh e ayen
What are the rewards for this.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 14th April 2023 11:49

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When construction of building for Mazaahirul uloom was started, 3 Akabir ....
Hakeemul ummat RA,
Shaykhul Hind RA and
hazrath aqdas Abur Raheem sahib RA ..... collectively wrote a request letter for charity.

(I could not do justice to translating this powerful urdu/persian/arabic language)

The summary is....... the students in madrasah are in path of Allah, any support to them is support to men in path of Allah.

I didn't find anyone from any corner objected to this....

The summary of this letter was:
There is a hadees on Baaqiyat Salihaat, thawaab which continues after death, the talba of madaaris are definitely are under catagory of "Abna al sabeel" ابن السبیل , moreover, no doubt .... they are in "Sabeelillah" (path of Allah). When there are numerous rewards for supporting who are under mutlaq sabeel, then definitely there are more rewards for serving the talba who are in sabeelillah. Let us understand that, for the people who are in sabeelillah and general masses, it is felt that there is great need for knowledge of deen, any lenience here leads to multiple damages to deen, hence, today acquiring and accumulation of deeni knowledge is most rewarding and this generates great demand for this sabeelillah (talba are in path of Allah). So the construction of building for talbah is better than baaqiyath saalihaath. We expect ahle islam to contribute generously for this important task.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 15th April 2023 06:45

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They haven't been silenced, the issue was already addressed a while back

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 15th April 2023 07:09

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They had addressed it when the first wave of controversial bayans came out. That was some years back. After that, saad kandhalwi has made many more such statements which should attract harsher rulings. The majlis hasn not addressed these. These recent bayans had been forwarded to The Majlis repeatedly with no response

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 15th April 2023 07:50

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The booklet named THE-KUFR-IDEOLOGY-OF-MOLVI-SAD was reply to your query from south African ulema.

Unfortunately the reply is full of misguidance, uncalled for allegations against tableegh jamaath.
These allegations are already answered by Shaykhul Hadeeth Maulana Zakariyah RA, Maulana Manzoor Nomani RA, Maulana Ali mian Nadvi RA, Maulana Qari Tayyib Sahib RA, Mufti Mahmood sahib Gangohi RA etc. The list of akabir is big. And today, Maulana Yusuf Ludhiyanvi RA, Mufti Taqi Usmani db, Maulana Khalilurrahman sajjad nomani db etc.

But us usual South Africans are known for attacking everyone around the world without listening to what the other party is saying. So we reject South African scholars view, Their circle can enjoy the abuses on tableegh by their scholars, it is acceptable in their country, this never bothers elsewhere in the world.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 15th April 2023 14:59

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I prefer going with The Majlis .

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 15th April 2023 15:07

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Your choice.....

But haq must be analysed and accepted.

You are going with majlis and proving our past akabir were wrong, your choice.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 16th April 2023 06:41

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Majlis analysis and their conclusion is based on their narrow vision, what they have witnessed in jamaath is not universal, they must visit other parts of the world or take karguzaris from other parts of the world.

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The Tabligh Jamaat’s khurooj groups move and live in comfort and even luxury.

If this is the case, I would go in jamaath for 4 months every year.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 16th April 2023 13:00

Point proven: Tabligihs can't cope with constructive criticism.

You are way in over your head. The fact that you think a 80+ year old Alim has a narrow understanding shows how dense you are. Your TJ Ghulu won't allow you to think properly. You don't know anything about the man. You just sound foolish and you're digging a deeper hole for yourself.

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