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#31 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 02:58
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وَاعْلَمْ أَنَّ الشَّافِعِيَّ وَأَصْحَابَهُ قَالُوا وَيُسْتَحَبُّ أنْ لَا يُزَوِّجَ الْأَبُ وَالْجَدُّ الْبِكْرَ حَتَّى تَبْلُغَ وَيَسْتَأْذِنُهَا لِئَلَّا يُوقِعَهَا فِي أَسْرِ الزَّوْجِ وَهِيَ كَارِهَةٌ

Know that Al-Shafi’i and his companions encouraged a father or grandfather not to marry off a virgin girl until she reaches maturity and he obtains her consent, that she may not be trapped with a husband she dislikes.

Source: Sharḥ al-Nawawī ‘alá Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1422
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#32 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 03:35
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Saheeh "Baab inkaah al-rajul wuldahu (or waladahu) al-sighaar (Chapter on a man marrying off his young children)." The fact that Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
". . . and for those who have no courses [periods] [(i.e., they are still immature) their ‘iddah is three months likewise, except in case of death] . . ." [al-Talaaq 65:4]
is an indication that it is permissible to marry girls below the age of adolescence. This is a good understanding, but the aayah makes no specific mention of either the father or the young girl. It could be said that the basic principle concerning marrying children is that it is forbidden unless there is specific evidence (daleel) to indicate otherwise. The hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah states that her father Abu Bakr married her off before the age of puberty, but there is no other evidence apart from that, so the rule applies to all other cases.

Al- Muhallab said: "[The scholars] agreed that it is permissible for a father to marry off his young virgin daughter, even though it is not usually the case to have intercourse with such a young woman."

(The above was summarized from Fath al-Baari Sharh ‘ala Saheeh al-Bukhaari)

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#33 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 06:03
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If you can write what is your intention here, we can help you.
These doubts were raised during earlier period and ulema from salaf have replied. These texts are available in urdu. If you can tell what is your intention, we can put time and effort to search and translate it.
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#34 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 09:45
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But Islam is meant to be universal and all no?
And you say legal/historical but as I said AskImam fatwa was from 2002 and Islamqa's was from 2003 that said 26 could marry 13. Further, Bilal Phillips said if a man in his 50s wanted to marry a 9 year old today, it would be valid.
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#35 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 10:12
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Sorry....
What is your intention behind posting this. This will help us to reply to your questions.
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#36 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 10:16
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How does this contradict islam being universal? It's just a fact girls any boys mature later then previous generations. However is a 9yo WERE to be absolutely mentally physically emotionally capable and happy to marry a 50yo there be no issue.

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#37 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 10:35
The Prophet [SAW] used to say these supplications: "Allahumma inni a'udhu bika min 'ilmin la yanfa'u, wa qalbin la yakhsha'u, wa du'a'in la yasma'u, wa nafsin la tashba'u. (O Allah, I seek refuge with You from knowledge that is of no benefit, a heart that is not humble, a supplication that is not heard and a soul that is not satisfied.)" Then he would say: 'Allahumma inni a'udhu bika min ha'ula'il-arba' (O Allah, I seek refuge with You from these four.)'"

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#38 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 11:03
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#39 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 13:50
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Bismillah.

Fatwa from Ask Imam shows such a marriage would be valid whether it took place in 2002 or the year 1002.

Historical context is that although such marriages were the norm across the globe in the past. And across cultures.They are no longer, so.

People mature much later. When I left school 30 years ago. Getting married at 16 was the common place.

Virtually all my classmates were married by 19. And if someone reached the age of 21 was still unmarried it was considered weird. This was not just amongst muslims but my Indian classmates who were Sikh or Hindu.

Now a generation later forget 16 even being married at 21 would be considered too young.

And in the year 2023 amongst the non-muslim white community here girls being sexually active with their boyfriends. At a very young age 10, 11,12 is fairly common and not very surprising.

The westerners only find the idea of marriage at a young age abhorrent. In the same west having 3 years old, under going transitional trans-gender therapy to change their genders is consider not just fine but commendable. For example the actress Charlize Theron adopted two black boys, and raised then both since they were babies as girls.

We have schools in the west teaching 4 years old about sex and masturbation.wiith graphically illustrated books.

All that is normal for them.

So as I said earlier, first thing we have to look at is the faces of our accusers. Instead of being defensive. And the majority of these websites making this propaganda against child marriages in Islam. Are run by Jews, Christians, Hindus. Who seem to forget what their Torah, Bible and Vedas state about child marriage. And how it was the norm in their own cultures.

Even come across a Christian preacher who was very active on Social Media, regularly propogating against Islam on this very issue.

He was interviewed by an atheist and when asked about Child marriage in Christianity and the Bible. His response, was "Well we should not judge historical Christian civilisations by todays standards." So
we give zero credence to such hypocrisy and double standards and these type of propagandists.

In conclusion if these people can make Zero apologies for their history. And their kids being sexually active at very young ages in the year 2023, and getting pregnant at the ages of 12 and 13 outside wedlock..

We make Zero apologies for keeping things Halal and having a marital responsibility at a young age in our tradition.

We believe in ALLAH and His Messenger. And we remain Unapologetically Muslim.




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#40 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 14:30
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we pray that we are not be from following groups; now tell me who are you?

1. An Atheist.
2. A non muslim
3. Madhab/fiqh hater.
4. a modern/liberal muslim who recommends changes in Islam. A new islam.

Or any other group.
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#41 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 18:06
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No just questioning doubts why?
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#42 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 23:14
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So is it correct to say most scholars discourage it?
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#43 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 23:37
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So we can say its discouraged by the scholars then and forbidden if there is no interest correct?
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#44 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2023 00:02
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muslimmatters.org/2015/10/23/importance-of-saying-i-dont-...

I Dont Know, a definitive answer to that. I can say most if not all Scholars in the country I live in would discourage it.

As one of the Brothers on a different forum who was Doctor pointed out years ago . In the Medical Field he mentioned Doctors may prescribe different depending on what the patient tells them. Thats why a good Doctor asks probing questions to get all the symptoms of the patient before prescribing the treatment. Even so they some times have to rely solelycon the patient to tell the truth about their symptoms.

Similarly is the case with Scholars the example he gave was someone going to a Scholar. Asking the same question but phrasing it differently. The Scholar was first told that their is a Student of religious Knowledge who instead of focusing on his studies. Spends most of his time debating and refuting people, is it permissible for him to do so. The Scholar told him of course not, the student of religious knowkedge should focus on his studies and is impermisible for him to engage in debates..

A few weeks later he visited the Scholar again and this time phrased his question differently told him that a group of Atheists were misguiding and confusing people in the local area. Would it be okay for a student of knowledge to take time away from his studies to debate and refute them. This time the Scholar resoonded that it was not only permissible it would be essential and commendable for him to do so.

So back to your question.
If a person visited a Scholar asked him a question The Scholar is obligated to give the legal ruling on the matter. And nothing more.

On the other hand if the person visited the Scholar and asked him advice and guidance on a matter the Scholar asking probing questions may give a different answer.

Hope that makes sense Insha-Allah.


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#45 [Permalink] Posted on 12th March 2023 00:37
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What is your country
and why do you say scholars there discourage it?
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