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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2023 18:59

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With all due respect your post on this thread is way inappropriate.

If somebody has doubts on an issue because they have only recently found out about it. And they had never heard about a topic like this on marriage. Then we should welcome the fact that they have raised that concern with fellow Muslims to try and understand it.

For the record I never had heard about this issue until I was well in my 20’s. And I found it shocking at first, was never taught this as a kid. and the propaganda concerning this topic is all over the internet.

The reason it is all over the internet is because the Kuffar do their research and know many Muslims won’t know and their Faith might be shaken.

And I commend the Original Poster for starting this thread.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2023 22:01

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As mentioned my post was not referring to anyone on here it was a generic issue I have with Muslims in west. 99% of those leaving islam or having doubts are from kuffar countries and almost every time its due to issue of morality cos they put western way of life as the gold standard and if anyone veers off even if its rasoolullah (saw)

it rocks them.

Instead if islam is taught as the absolute and only truth then majority of these problems will go. Yes you will always get shaitan whispering Allah's existing or issue regarding faith but in today's day and age its not shaitan its kuffar who boast of their kufr and Muslims feelin shy and embarrassed about Islam and its teachings

Even now on social media I heard Muslims are debating age of aisha رضي الله عنه with many insisting she was 18. 100% these fools are only saying it so they can run to their kuffar masters please don't hate look we can proof rasoolullah (saw)

marriage was in line with your likings

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 7th March 2023 22:28

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Bismillah.

If it is a generic issue you have a problem with then create a separate thread.

And in my experience railing against the very issues and challenges the person who created the thread is talking about. Has a very negative impact. And simply posting a disclaimer does nothing to make the person feel like it is not they who are being addressed or even mocked.

And I have seen it in numerous forums. Over the last 16 years or so.

People post a thread raising a personal concern. Somebody will chime in with a contrarian position. Instead of offering advice to address their concerns.

And often the people who raised their concerns in the first place. Are hurt by this never post on the forum again. And ALLAH knows best what happens to them.

Even seen people post threads on suffering depression and feeling suicidal. With some individuals responding by implying they are weak unlike our pious predecessors or that they are seeking attention.

I wonder how many people who have registered on Islamic forums to seek advice. Have been driven away from Islam or even towards suicide by these type of abrasive responses.

Now if you want to debate the content of your above post. Then create a separate thread we can debate it.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 8th March 2023 07:32

Why doubts comes in modern muslims.

To understand this, we know that there are 3 ways of acquiring knowledge (through listening)
1. through debates
2. through Impassioned talk
3. through a dars session.

option 3 is safest way of acquiring knowledge.
We can defeat our opponent through Debates , but for audience it could be counter productive like:
I was present in one of the talks by Ahmed Deedat RA. He was discussing that today's bible discusses about extra ordinary power by few persons. Shaykh negated those theories.

One christian in the audience questioned shaykh that.... there are stories of extra ordinary bravery by Hazrat Ali (RA), he quoted the example of khaibar.

Shaykh said "do you find the name of Ali in Quran"

There were celeberations, loud applaud, whistles etc.

But... wait..... our muslim audience received a wrong message... truth is limited to Quran, Ahadith can be ignored. Astagfirullah.

There are many more counter productive things.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 8th March 2023 11:53

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“Whatever misfortune afflicts you is on account of your sins.” (Surah Shoora, Aayat 30)

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2023 04:50

And what are the explanations for these as people claim they allow pre-pubescent sex:

Narrated Buraida: The Prophet sent `Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated `Ali, and `Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, “Don’t you see this (i.e. `Ali)?” When we reached the Prophet I mentioned that to him. He said, “O Buraida! Do you hate `Ali?” I said, “Yes.” He said, “Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.”
Bukhari 4350

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Ibn Hajar, a man given the title “Shaykh Al-Islam”, in his famous commentary called Fath Al-Bari which is considered the most celebrated hadith commentary ever stated after this narration:

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Abu Dharr al-Harawi said: ‘The Companion hated Ali only because he saw him taking from the spoils of war, so he thought that he had acted treacherously. When the Prophet ﷺ informed him that he took less than what was his right, he loved him.’ This is a good interpretation but for it being distant from the hadith brought out by Ahmad. Perhaps the reason for the hatred had a different basis, and it ceased when the Prophet ﷺ disallowed them to hate him.

Ali was blamed for having intercourse with the slave-girl without observing Istibra and also for the share (of the Khumus) that he took for himself. Now the first allegation is defensible as she was a virgin and not pubescent, and thus she did not need to observe Istibra — in accordance with the practice of many Companions before him. And she might have had her period after becoming his and then became purified after one day and one night. He had intercourse with her with no ill intent.

Zayd Bin Hubab <– Hammad Bin Salamah <– Iyas Bin Muawiyah: regarding a man who brought a pre-pubescent slave girl, do not those like her have sexual intercourse? He said: “there is nothing wrong with performing the sexual act upon her without observing istibra”
Musannaf Ibn Shaybah 16907

Waki <– Ali Bin Al-Mubarak <– Yahya Bin Abi Kathir <– Ikrimah: regarding the man who buys a pre-pubescent slave girl, even one younger than that. He said: “There is nothing wrong with touching her before observing Istibra”
Musannaf Ibn Shaybah 16906

and Ibn Qayyim's fatwa:

في الفصول روى عن أحمد في رجل خاف أن تنشق مثانته من الشبق أو تنشق انثياه لحبس الماء في زمن رمضان يستخرج الماء ولم يذكر بأي شيء يستخرجه قال: “وعندي أنه يستخرجه بما لا يفسد صوم غيره كاستمنائه بيده أو ببدن زوجته أو أمته غير الصائمة فإن كان له أمة طفلة أو صغيرة استمنى بيدها وكذلك الكافرة ويجوز وطؤها فيما دون الفرج فإن أراد الوطء في الفرج مع إمكان إخراج الماء بغيره فعندي أنه لا يجوز لأن الضرورة إذا رفعت حرام ما وراءها

Ahmed said about a man who feared that sperm would flow from his penis or that his testicles were unable to retain semen during Ramadan, he can ejaculate. But he didn’t say with what. In my opinion, he must release it with what would not spoil the fast of others. Like masturbating with his hand, or against the body of his wife or a slave who is not fasting. If he has a child or a small slave, let him masturbate with her hand. The Same for the unbelieving woman, he can penetrate her but not in her vagina. But if he wants to penetrate her vagina while he has other options to ejaculate, this would not be allowed in my opinion. If the need is fulfilled, it is forbidden to go beyond.
Bada’i Al Fuwa’id page 603

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2023 05:22

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You invited the issue, you only can resolve it.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2023 08:13

We have laws that we can follow and these laws are divine laws! In some societies, these laws will never be followed even though permitted. Whilst in other societies, these laws are normal for them, thus following them would not be abnormal

The point is, it is divine!

At least we are not like the non believers who change the laws at will and purely for desire. There are people who illegally sell children and exploit them, traffic them for such activities. Islam doesn't allow that at all.

Just because it's a ruling, doesn't mean we must follow it and act upon it, no. Its there for guidance and its guidance is to the last day.

Divorce is permitted in islam, but that doesn't mean we must all divorce our wives. It's there if the need is there. Otherwise it's a Halal option that is hated by Allah, yet permitted.

If there is something we don't understand, it's because of our lack of knowledge or understanding. Not because the divine law got it wrong!

Who better to be the law giver than the maker Himself?

Ultimately, if you have doubts about your faith, it's an error on your side. The question is, which other faith is there that is even close to being correct? None!

Which other faith and prophet will you testify to? There is none!

أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أن محمدا رسول الله

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2023 08:52

Indian PM was married at the age of 14 to 12 year girl.
He didn't divorce her.
Legally she is his wife.
Indians won't lose faith in him or in their religion.

30 year lady gives birth to a 13 years old boy's baby. No one lost faith in this society.

Abortion is common among school students, no one lost faith in this society. More people from other societies migrate to this society and expose their children to this society....

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apart from kuffar not liking it, tell me why you personally object to it? give sound reason or do you feel this way because u may get bullied by kuffar or laughed at?

morality is objective and doesnt change. the west have no morals and literally change their entire belief system every few years. once you accept Islam, Quran, Hadith is haqq and the only haqq all these doubts you have will go away. as per age, which is more fairer lets decide

islam - can marry at any age as long as girl is mentally, physically and emotionally capable
kuffar- (made up number) regardless if she mentally physically of emotionally ok. so a 14yo may have reached puberty and already committing zinaa, body has fully developed and is sound of mind but illegal to marry and a 25yo who is mentally and physicall issues, unable to consummate marriage but its legal to marry her anyway?

this is how the kuffar system is yet they think its a good thing and proud of it

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2023 10:54

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Which society has right to laugh at Islam.

the pot calling the kettle black

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چالْنی کَہے سُوئی کہ تیری پین٘دی میں چھید

The sieve said to the needle, "There is one hole in you."

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2023 13:05

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Your so called doubts warrant this type of response:

Question
Is it correct that it is mentioned in Siyar, Dhahabi that Imam Shafi
(Rahmatullah Alaihi) saw many women who reached puberty at nine years in Sana, Yemen and that Imam Shafi (Rahmatullah Alayhi) in Sunan Al Kubra, Bayhaqi, reported seeing
a grandmother of 21 years in Yemen? Please comment on the statements from Islamic preachers defending the actions of the early generation of Muslim the act of child marriage, and the venomenous criticism of modernists of
today who brand adults who enter into child marriage as paedophiles.

Answer
All zindeeqs, modernists and those who bootlick and hindlick the western kuffaar should understand well that Islam permits child-
marriage. Denial of this irrefutable fact is kufr. Rasulullah (Sallallahu alayhi wasallam), Hadhrat Umar (Radhiyallhu anhu) and many others had entered into such marriages.
Those who chant the western kufr, obscene ideological, pejorative theme of such persons being paedophiles, suffer from the mental malady known as Ibleesmentia
which the Qur‘aan terms Takhabbutush Shaitaan. This disease is generally suffered by those who devour interest, but it is extremely contagious, and afflicts all Zanaadaqah and Munaafiqeen such as the moron reverends and pundits who masquerade as Ulama.

Allah Ta‘ala is the Creator. He has allowed
marriage, hence it is incorrigible kufr to criticize and vilify an institution permitted by our Khaaliq (Creator). Those who have been afflicted with Ibleesmentia which in reality is a Divine Curse (La‟nat of Allah Ta‟ala), have no qualms about a man fornicating and having extra marital relationships with a dozen women, but they satanically find cause for criticizing and vilifying an Institution permitted by Allah Ta‘ala. Whilst Allah Ta‘ala has allowed it, these moron scoundrels disgorge vituperation on those who avail themselves of Divine Permissibility.

Now understand well! Child marriage is just as permissible as polygamy. And, to Hell with the opponents whose religion is satanism.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2023 13:15

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Bismillah.

When coming across these type of articles.
Several things need to kept in mind.

Firstly We have to look at who are the people running the website. If they are run by a group of non-Muslims, with a specific agenda of propagating against Islam.

Then they have to be looked as hostile witnesses.

Everything that has is In the articles that are posted has to be checked verified, and authenticated. To ensure there are no omissions, embellishments, fabrications and distortions. The anti- Islam websites are known for this type of intellectual and academic dishonesty.

If everything is authenticated and found to be true, then we have to look at what the Scholars have written. In both the historic and legal context of what is written only then can we come to a conclusion.

As for the article in your above post it seems very suspect. We all know that the ejaculation of semen invalidates a fast yet the final paragraph implies otherwise.

In anycase we could go around in circles on this, if one objection is addressed. Then you will come across another article on the same subject matter from a different anti-Islam website.

In conclusion if you are sincere and your objective is to clarify or clear doubts on Islam.

Then the Sapience Institute managed by Hamza Tsortzis was specifically set up for this purpose. They have a project called the Lighthouse Mentoring project. To help people who are having severe doubts and thinking of leaving Islam as well as for those people who may have already left Islam but would like to return to Islam if their doubts can be clarified and cleared up.
Here is their website and contact details.
sapienceinstitute.org/lighthouse

And ALLAH knows best.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 9th March 2023 13:34

May I request the members not to put the questioner off or post pointless things.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 11th March 2023 01:26

According to this verse:
“And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubt (about their periods), is three months; and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise”

[al-Talaaq 65:4]

In this verse we see that Allaah has made the ‘iddah in the case of divorce of a girl who does not have periods – because she is young and has not yet reached puberty – three months. This clearly indicates that Allaah has made this a valid marriage.

Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for the girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl in marriage at this age but it is also permissible for the husband to consummate marriage with he

according to this tafsir does it mean it is allowed to consummate marriage with a young girl who has not menustrated or does this only refer to delayed menustration?

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