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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 16:58

Brother, the work of dawah does not delve into differences of jurisprudence, or even secondary matters of aqeedah, because workers belong to the entire spectrum of Islamic beliefs and practices.

Even in our local circle, we have senior workers who have never been Hanafi in jurisprudence, or espoused the secondary matters of aqaid as detailed in al Muhannad.

As for deviating from consensus, dawah brothers have always had some idiosyncrasy in these matters. Examples such as ayaat and hadeeth of qital used for the work of dawah, the issue of mastoorat jamat, and the issue of whether imaan rises or falls, or whether taqwa rises and falls.

Keeping in mind the positives associated with the work of dawah, senior ulama have been (despite strong reservations) lenient in the way they dealt with these differences of opinion.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 17:51

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Unfortunately today senior scholars are against Maulana Saad sahib for his deviation.

Deoband has issued a fatwah, that.....
......this leads to, a group in Tabhleeghi jamaath will turn into a firqa-e-dhaallah.

Unfortunately the list of deviations continues to grow.

Many sathees have become bitter enemy of Darul Uloom deoband and ulema of deoband, instead of correcting their idol, they are abusing the real authority who is correcting their idol.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 18:17

Brother, anyone who uses the matter of Maulana Saad Sahab to cast even the slightest negativity towards ulama or darul uloom Deoband has not understood the work of dawah. We leave these immature ones to their own devices. May Allah Taala guide them and give them wisdom and insight, and teach them how to navigate differences of opinion, and to recognize the high stature of all ulama, and our institutions of Deoband, Nadwa, Saharanpur, Moradabad, Dabhel, and all the others.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 9th February 2023 07:05

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The west have faith in Maulana mahboob, mufti Akhoon, mufti Navalrurrahman, Maulana Eisa Mansoori etc. But don't have faith in Maulana Ibraheem Devla DB and co.

Hero worship.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 9th February 2023 08:14

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lol. Br you don't seem to know anything about what goes on in the west, not sure where you get all your information from. There are 2 groups pretty much everywhere in the west (UK, Canada, US, etc) not everyone follows Moulana Saad. In fact majority of the elders in the UK are on the Shura side!

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 9th February 2023 10:19

Brother, as I understand it, confrontation has never been advocated in the work of dawah.

In fact, I'm fairly certain neither Maulana Ibrahim Sahab nor Maulana Saad Sahab call for any confrontation from their respective mimbars.

We went as a delegation to Maulana Ibrahim Sahab and asked him for guidance. He categorically told us that since we were attached to Markaz Nizamuddin, we should continue to work with them and not raise controversial matters in our area.

The defining characteristic of the work of dawah is khurooj. This is where we were advised to direct all our energies -- tashkeel and khurooj.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 9th February 2023 10:45

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We went as a delegation to Maulana Ibrahim Sahab and asked him for guidance. He categorically told us that since we were attached to Markaz Nizamuddin, we should continue to work with them and not raise controversial matters in our area.

When and where was this.

There is no confrontation from Shura elders. We demand Status Quo of 1995. In 1995, decision was taken that there shall be no Ameer in Nizamuddin. Faisal by turn policy shall continue.

If 1995 decision has to be reversed. There shall be Mashwarah involving elders from across the world.

Confrontation is from other side, they persecute our elders, they abuse our elders, they have baseless allegation against our elders to shield their self proclaimed Ameer.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 9th February 2023 13:21

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I quote an authentic reply from Maulana Ibraheem Dewla DB

A delegation from Banglae wali Masjid was sent to Maulana Ibraheem Dewla DB requesting him to return to Nizamuddin.

His reply was

"Main Haq par rahoonga chaahe akela rahoon. Aur maulana saad ke liye dua karta rahoonga"

"I shall be steadfast on Haq even if I am alone. And I shall pray for Maulana Saad".

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 9th February 2023 13:21

Brother, this was a few years ago, and before the lockdown. Our delegation traveled to Gujarat to meet Hazrat Maulana DB.

Most active saathees in our area have moved on from these matters. They continue to do the work. Some of our brothers feel greater attachment to Shura elders and they continue to work under their guidance, while the others continue with Markaz Nizamuddin.

In the rare instance when someone from either side raises some contentious issue, the other saathees pacify him (sunee unsunee kar detey).

It looks like the split is a fait accompli, so the sooner we move beyond it, IMHO, the better.

Brother, you are a purana saathee mashallah. How many times have we had to swallow bitter decisions, apparent mistreatment from our local seniors, and yet by the Grace of Allah Taala, He has allowed us to continue in the work? Dost kush, dushman nawaz. We bear it and continue in the hopes of hidayah and maghfirah and ease in the hereafter. May Allah Taala grant us the tawfeeq to continue in the work until our last breath, ameen.

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 9th February 2023 13:40

Brother, this is precisely the point. The elders from each side are making dua for those on the other side. They have their differences and yet they continue doing the work in their respective capacities. Their energies are all directed towards tashkeel and khurooj.

In all the years that I've followed your writings online, I've seen the mistreatment you've undergone, yet I'm struck by your composure and tenacity. You are a gem of a person, and so many times I've benefited personally by what you've transmitted from akabir ulama and seniors. From your writings I sense you have a deep fikr for the ummah and the deen, and are personally very disturbed by the chaos all around in the world.

I look forward to your writings on other topics too. Another senior brother on here said that his struggle was full of loneliness because few understood what he was trying to say and do. I feel you too are in that category. But we need your contributions because if not today, a day will come when your writings will bring solace to someone who is looking for answers.

May Allah Taala make your struggle easy for you, ameen.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 9th February 2023 15:26

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Brothers on field, there is no difference in their work.
Everything is same, except for masjid ki aabaadi ki mahnath, pulling brothers to masjid. Otherwise both sides mukhlis sathees are busy with their effort.

I feel hurt, a few days back we were eating in the same plate... today.... sobs.

Ummah needs effort, and we don't have enough resources, and our energies are diverted, waste of energies.

I would request sathees follows these golden usool derived from seerat, I quote from maulana Ibraheem dewla DB "ikhtelaaf mein Akhlaaq aur insaaf na chhodoe"...... let brothers on both sides work towards this golden principle. Let sathees cool down the charged atmosphere. People may call us cowards, but let us cool down the atmosphere.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 9th February 2023 15:48

Bro, you're better off posting this in a TJ forum somewhere, no one here is interested in TJ movement.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 9th February 2023 16:09

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Mashallah, brother, well said. I agree wholeheartedly.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 11th February 2023 15:00

Majority of west is nizamuddin, except some concentrated areas of elders. Many countries in Europe is nizamuddin.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 11th February 2023 15:04

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They object to mistakes committed by maulana Saad.
They oppose Maulana Saad's unilateral decisions, his slip of tongue in his bayans.

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