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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2023 02:20

Assalamu alaikum
Bismillah

Our TJ sathees residing in foreign land have decided to maintain status quo and maintain equal distance from Maulana Saad sahib and shura akabir. We understand that, let the controversy is limited to India. Good....

We Indians request you to send following questioner to Maulana Saad sahib and request for his reponse. You are special and privileged sathees to Maulana saad sahib and we expect he shall respond to you........ We Indians are ordinary sathees for maulana.

(We request to modify this letter with proper British/American English)

1. Since 1993 June to till date; Maulana Saad sahib is single witness to all incidents. He didn't speak anything on the full episode. We request maulana to kindly respond and present the real story as he is a witness.

2. Stories are being circulated (by Eisa Mansoori sab and mufti Akhoon sab etc) that Maulana Yusuf sahib RA and Maulana Haroon Sahib RA's abrupt end is due to conspiracy hatched by opposition lobby, Who are they, how did that happen. Whether maulana can authenticate this through sharaee evidences.

3. In 2015, maulana unilaterally declared himself Ameer e aalam, how did that happen. Shura Akabir claim that it was illegal, gair sharaee and against the usools of tabligh. We request maulana Saad sahib to present his side of story on how he unilaterally declared himself as Ameer e Aalam.

(although Maulana Saad sahib got instruction in Raiwind world mashwarah to restore 4 shura members and continue as faisal by turn in Nizamuddin markaz. Hajee Abdul wahab sahib RA was faisal in that mashwarah. Is that true? what were the circumstances that decision in mashwarah was rejected outright. Any special usool for rejecting the mashwarah decision).

4. Is that true that Mewatis are privileged members of TJ and they have got special powers in decision making. Their decisions overrule every decision taken by anyone and elsewhere in the world.

5. Is this true that Mewatis use muscle power and arm twisting on anyone who they think is against Kandhalvi family.

6. Mewatis have decided that Amarath will be inherited by Maulana Saad sahib's sons and it will remain in kandhalvi family. No one else has claim over Amarath.

7. After 1995 most of the time, Mufti Zainul Aabideen RA was faisal in world mashwarah, after that Hajee Abdul wahab sahib was faisal in world mashwarah. You were limited to India for faisal.

8. Many claim that Akabir left Nizamuddin because maulana saad sahib objected to irregularity in funds by these Akabir, maulana Saad sahib ordered to use muscle power to correct them. (we can't expect any fraud by Maulana Ibrahim sahib DB, Dr Nadir Ali khan sahib RA, Prof Sanaullah sahib RA etc. But we wait for your reply with evidences)

9. Maulana Saad sahib took many unilateral decisions to save Tableegh. Can maulana explain, what were the dangers faced by TJ, which lead to frustration and he bypassed mashwarah and he took unilateral decisions.

10. Many claim that Maulana Inamul Hassan RA was not Ameer, he was just an Ameen, He was an intermittent solution, can be called a mutawalli (guardian) of TJ till Maulana Saad Sahib grew to take the responsibility of Ameer. Technically Maulana Saad sahib is Third Ameer.... not fourth. You also claim that in Maulana Inamaul Hasan sahib's worst period, TJ effort went in negative direction and effort was deliberately spoiled. We would like to listen to maulana's version about this.

11. Resident akabirs of Banglae wali masjid, in their bayans claim that akabirs of shura are rebels and they shall die with irtidaad. Any zulm on these rebels is valid in shariah. Zulm on visiting shura jamaath is as par shariah. They have to re-recite the shahadah... etc. Are these diktats acceptable to maulana saad sahib.

12. Can maulana saad sahib present his version on reconciliation efforts by his Arab host in Haramain. Arab shaykh brought Shura akabirs to the doors of Banglae wali masjid and you rejected any reconciliation efforts and reprimanded the Arab Shaykh. Why?

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 6th February 2023 05:08

Brother akbar, the reason overseas saathees maintain the status quo is because they distance themselves from these controversies and do not delve into these matters, else they too would become partisan. Sometimes, distancing oneself from certain matters actually has a more calming effect.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 01:37

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13. Maulana Saad sahib. Why do use Tableegh platform to present your new fiqhi masail.

Your intention is that madrasah system must collapse, you motivate Muslims to stop funding madrasahs.

Your latest ijtehaad....
"Today Madrasah is useless because it has deviated from sunnah. The real sunnah is, talabah shall earn for themselves and the teachers".
(Implies... For half day students shall earn money, half day they shall learn islamic teachings)

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 03:14

Brother you are flogging a dead horse.

This extract is a wonderful Naseehat:
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He says:

“A Da’ee meets with everyone, whether that person is a drunkard, a gambler, Deobandi, Barelwi, Salafi. I am a Da-ee. Why would meeting the Jamiat for a short while result in faces being distorted.”

We shall, Insha-Allah, edify you in this regard. You have an extremely narrow understanding of the meaning of ‘da’ee’. Your narrow understanding stems from Tablighi Jamaat concepts. According to the Tablighis, only they are Daa-ees. All others are flotsam and jetsam for the Tablighis. That is why today they stand with daggers busy slitting the throats of their adversaries in the Jamaat. You have the Raiwandis and the Sadists. Both are trapped in their ghulu. Both believe that only their specific methodology of ‘tabligh’ qualifies one to be a daa-ee.

From whence did you, Maulana sahib (Not referring to Molvi Saad), glean the idea that only you are a daa-ee and others who are not aligned to the Tabligh jamaat, but who are engaged in their own institutions of Da’wat and Tabligh are not Daa-ees? Understand well that Islam has several Departments of Da’wat and Tabligh. The Tablighi Jamaat to which you have allegiance is an extremely latecomer on the scene. Furthermore it has recklessly deviated from Siraatul Mustaqeem, hence the Raiwandis and Sadists are facing one another with daggers drawn. Tabligh is not confined to your concept of tabligh.

Also understand well that your self-portrayal as a ‘daa-ee’ is the effect of ujub and kibr. You are a plain nothing – a nothing which all of us are. You are an epistasis, and so are we all. It is purely by the fadhl and karam of Allah Ta’ala that He is extracting some Deeni service from you and from us. It is an honour He has bestowed to us despicable infosoria – the great honour of serving His Deen. Therefore, do not permit the insobriety of the nafs to bloat your brains with the idea that you are a wonderful ‘daa-ee’. You are nothing – absolutely nothing.

Attending to the Islaah of ‘drunkards, gamblers, Barelwis and Salafis’ is not exclusively your domain. All others, especially the Mashaaikh of Tasawwuf, always attended to such people – incorrigible sinners and deviates. This is not the preserve of the Tabligh Jamaat. Every sincere Aalim is a Da-ee in his own right. No sincere Naasih turns away ‘drunkards and gamblers’. However, this never means going into the pub and into the brothel. But when these sinners come to us, our doors are always open.

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Ask people who are studying in Madaris of how bad the situation is. It's better if 1-2 people get together with a senior Alim and study. You would shriek if you found out what is happening in Madaris. But this is another downtrodden institution due to us being in close proximity with Qiyaamah.

The Ulama have dealt with Ml Saad's issues. Sincere intelligent Muslims will in Sha Allah be able to discern the truth.

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 05:51

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Masha Allah, brother, well said.

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 05:55

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Here we are dealing with maulana saad sahib.

You have difference with Tableeghi jamaath, your formula is ; MBS only represents Islam so Islam is bad.
If admin can split this thread we can reply on other thread.

In a nutshell, " Tableegh kisi ka Mutabadil naheen, aur tableegh ka koyee Mutabadil naheen..... "

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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 06:28

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Just ignore him.

This last statement ("Tableegh kisi ka Mutabadil naheen, aur tableegh ka koyee Mutabadil naheen..... ") of yours reeks of Ghulu.

Either you didn't read it or you may have failed to understand what was written.
Repeated:

We shall, Insha-Allah, edify you in this regard. You have an extremely narrow understanding of the meaning of ‘da’ee’. Your narrow understanding stems from Tablighi Jamaat concepts. According to the Tablighis, only they are Daa-ees. All others are flotsam and jetsam for the Tablighis. That is why today they stand with daggers busy slitting the throats of their adversaries in the Jamaat. You have the Raiwandis and the Sadists. Both are trapped in their ghulu. Both believe that only their specific methodology of ‘tabligh’ qualifies one to be a daa-ee.

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 07:06

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This last statement ("Tableegh kisi ka Mutabadil naheen, aur tableegh ka koyee Mutabadil naheen..... ")

Correct this if is wrong.
You will be doing ghuloo to correct this, that is why tableeghees shall ignore your words.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 07:16

"Madaris ka koi mutabadil nahi, aur na madaris kisi ka mutabadil hai."

"Khanqah ka koi mutabadil nahi, aur na khanqah kisi ka mutabadil hai."

"Tableegh ka koi mutabadil nahi, aur na tableegh kisi ka mutabadil hai."

"Jihad ka koi mutabadil nahi, aur na jihad kisi ka mutabadil hai."

"Siyasi ulama ka koi mutabadil nahi, aur na siyasi ulama kisi ka mutabadil hai."

"Amaliyat ka koi mutabadil nahi, aur na amaliyat kisi ka mutabadil hai."

"Tibb ka koi mutabadil nahi, aur na tibb kisi ka mutabadil hai."

Translation:

"There is no substitute for [insert effort of deen here], and [insert effort of deen here] is not a substitute for any other effort of deen."

Brother, these sound like statements of fact, not exaggeration.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 07:18

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I agree..

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 10:08

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These questions have already been asked and his lackeys have responded in their usual mannerism. Asking in English or Urdu won't make a difference.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 11:15

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I don't think these questions were asked in English anytime from 2015 to till date.

You please address to Nizamuddin in English and you feel the difference.

Imported is respected in Indian culture... it could be Islamic or duniya issues. And Nizamuddin fears losing Foreign sathees.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 11:29

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You are being naive. The UK is split between maulana Saad and Shura so why would they care if someone has asked from abroad in English when they already have following from one section of the English speaking world.

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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 11:41

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What reply Maulana Saad supporters have for those questions, few from a big list.

1. Whether maulana saad supporters have decided to separate from maktab e fikr of deoband.
2. Whether they have abandoned Hanafi fiqh.
3. Whether new aqaid have been compiled from their Ameer. Have they left Ahlussunnah wal jama'ath?

Many more.

It is not issue of Amarath or Shura. It is the core issue of deviating from Jamhoor consensus followed by ahlussunnah wal jamaath for centuries.

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 8th February 2023 13:02

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Again, you are being naive. Maulana Saad or anyone from Nizamuddin markaz is not going to reply back to any questions. They have lackeys that do this for them with their colourful tongue filled with falsehood. It's been 5.5 years since the official split and so much has happened since so just let it go.

@due2myweakness has compiled a website which has all the answers.
tablighi-jamaat.com/

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