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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 28th January 2023 13:38

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This is one of the major issues. We don't even know what sins are. The whole concept of Purdah has been thrown out the window through out majority of the Muslim world. There are many other aggravating factors aas well. Sahaabah رضی اللہ تعالیٰ عنہم asked Nabi صلی اللّٰہ علیہ وسلم wether punishment would ascend whilst Sulaha are present, they were told that it would due to two reasons:
1. The evil exceeds the good
2. The virtual non existence of Amr Bil Maroof and Nahi anil Munkar

People decry the Ulama that show them the mirror. Brother the following article will be useful to understand the scenario we are in: muslimskeptic.com/2023/01/26/afford-not-offend-others/

I know first hand that within the ranks of even the IEA there are liberal types who say that the people on top are too strict, whilst they fail to realize that Allah Ta'ala has only granted victory to them as opposed to others because of this Purdah system. Calling a spade a spade doesn't mean that our sympathies aren't their for our Brothers and Sisters. We know our state is such that the ground would swallow us hole. Allah Ta'ala's Atthab is Adl. But we cry for our sins and also seek forgiveness on behalf of the Ummah.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 28th January 2023 13:57

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Athaab will not have this form

1. ban on azaan
2. ban on hijaab
3. ban on halal
4. atrocities on public offering of salah.
5. madrasah are harassed
6. Ulema or jailed

If at all the athaab must be on who are doing crimes.

This is ibtela, trial.
Common muslim doesn't bother when our girls sacrifice imaan to get married. It is the pious who are deeply hurt.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 28th January 2023 14:27

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Provide evidence for your claims?
A common Muslim will get effected if any Muslim leaves Islam. I don't know which subset of "common Muslim" you are referring too.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 28th January 2023 19:31

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Bismillah.

Or maybe as I heard one of the mashaykh state many years ago, the test is for those who are being oppressed, the trial is for those of us who have been protected, to see how we respond to the oppression of our brothers and sisters. And at the very least and barest of minimums we should make dua for them.
After all the average Punjabi, or Gujarati, or Balochi or Afghan, or Bengali, or Arab or Turk is not more pious then the Kashmiri, or Palestinian, nor the Uyghur or the Rohangiya.

And ALLAH knows best.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 29th January 2023 05:30

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True a muslim is affected:
But there is difference in response.
An unknown person meets with an accident and seriously injured
AND
My near relative meets with an accident and seriously injured.

1st scenario... very bad... poor guy.... I move on...

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 29th January 2023 15:37

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Hazrat I think you totally missed my point. I said who cares about about documentary/reaction off kuffar/accepting responsibility?

What does it change? U think kuffar will ever put hands up and say hey Muslims sorry for what we did here take some reparations.

We need to get our of this weak defeatist mentality. No kuffar will do our work for us. Until the Muslims especially nations fulfill obligation of qitaal our humiliation will continue and I can't blame kuffar. If I was a dirty zio jew I'd definitely attack Palestine and quds knowing Muslims are to useless to do anything than blow hot air and beg west for help who are the ones that let us do what we do.

I hope clears up my previous post. Of course a Muslim who has no concern about the state of ummah anywhere in the world has no iman but let drop this pathetic begging to kuffar for help or awareness. It's cringe. Even if uk USA did acknowledge modi was wrong u think they will do anything? Why should they of 54 plus muslim nations don't do anything.

Sick of muslim goin on about about times of sahaha and salaf but only highlighting their salah and ikhlas but totally ignore their courage and jihad.

Kinda why people like tate become famous among Muslims cos all our imams do is make emasculated men. Oh do dua or do salah lol. Seriously its pathetic and cowardice. Did sahaba not do dua and salah yet wer they spared? We think just praying Allah will give us kingdom of the world

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 29th January 2023 21:41

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Well in case you have not noticed Muslim countries are ruled by leaders who have colonised minds at best. And some who are most likely non-muslim atheists pretending to be muslims.

As for my post about Dua that still stands. And in reference to the fact when the plight of muslims around the world is mentioned to them. Many muslims respond with they are being punished for their sins. Well such people should keep silent and if they have nothing else to contribute at the very least make Dua.

As for this particular documentary well it is better then the Kuffar making a documentary like they normally do. And portraying the Muslims as the oppressors and the oppressors as the victims.It raises awareness amonst muslims around the world who may not be familiar with what is happening in India.

As for the Sahabah we live in the year 2023 and go from east to west and North to South and will not find a single muslim with the Imaan of the Sahabah. So only thing we can do is make Dua ALLAH bestows leaders upon us with strong Imaan and who follow in the footsteps of the Sahabah.

And in conclusion we have seen various movements come and go in the last 50 years and not a single one has borne fruit. Or it has been hijacked and destroyed by Khawarij.

Just raging about past glories is not a solution. Given the situation we are in nothing will change until the arrival of the Mahdi.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 29th January 2023 22:36

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When did I say don't make dua? Make it but duas are not meant to be empty. It's like a bachelor saying Ya Allah grant me pious wife and kids yet not even looking for a wife or anything. As for past glories again if you read any of my old posts on here I hate nothing more then Muslims living on the legacy of our predecessors. We have to do our own work and follow their blue print

As for your mahdi omments it's that defeatist mentality which will cause Muslims to remain low. How long shall we wait for him? 5 10 15 20 100 years? He won't have magic wand and nor did prophet (saw)

say nothing will change or do nothing till he comes. Imagine Muslims during Mongols, crusaders, Romans said let's just wait for mehdi to come we will just sit making dua and hope other kuffar will help us

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2023 01:47

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A defeatist mentality is considering any action by muslims as insufficient or irrelevant. Whilst coming up no logical action plan
what-soever just empty slogans. So far you have stated
what muslims arent doing but offered no viable action plan.

Muslims should not complain about media bias and double standards. Because they are just degrading themselves.
And Muslims should not complain about the hypocrisy of the western countries for the same reasons.

And that Muslims should not sit around just speaking off the Salah and Ikhlas of the Salaf. But need to do qital. Well the problem is you are not going to get the latter until the vast majority of muslims are firm on the former.

We should not sit and wait around for the Mahdi but take action. So what action???

Following government stooges like Anjem Choudhary who promise action. Whilst causing immense damage through their subversive agendas.

In the words of Said Ramadan.

“Our problem is one of spirituality. If a man comes to speak to me about reform in the Muslim world, about political strategy and geopolitical schemes, my first question to him would be whether he performed the dawn prayer (fajr) on time.”

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 30th January 2023 05:27

Mashallah, the brothers here are all highlighting the various areas where the ummah is lacking. We need the inputs of all the individuals and groups working on different aspects of our weaknesses. We need the ulama and mashaikh for knowledge, piety, and rectification. We need the mujahidin for handling the armed struggles. We need the media savvy people to work for Islam on the various media platforms. We need the politically competent Muslims and allies to work on the political fronts. We need the TJ brothers to go door to door and call to faith and salah. We need the scientists and inventors to help us catch up technologically to the other nations, such as Pakistan's acquisition of nuclear weapons. We need the philosophers and thinkers to defend Islam against the onslaught of various ideologies.

We need everyone's inputs and contributions in their various areas of competence. We appreciate and acknowledge everyone who's doing their bit. May Allah Taala put barakah in all their efforts.

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