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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2023 06:33

In India after 80 years of efforts in tableeg, only partial success is achieved. Could be less than 5%.
Many Indians may boast of this success, because they are looking at 5% achieved (true that zero to 5% is big achievement). But 95% is left, if we look at this, all the boasting will sublime.
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I understand from the posts by UK brothers,

"All is well in UK, everything achieved, mission accomplished ".

" Tableeg is not so important now."

" Now sub-continent Muslims have to visit UK and learn deen ".

Alhamdulillah, الحمد لله May Allah bless UK with barakah.

How was this achieved?

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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2023 08:43

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Bismillah.

No everything is not achieved.
And mission will not be accomplished unless we enter our graves with our Imaans intact.
We live in a non-muslim society were Zina, Alchohol drugs are heavily promoted...

Were attacks on Islam within the media are relentless and never ending. Propaganda from Zionists, Liberals, Feminists, Christians and Atheists recently even the Hindutva have gained a foothold.

The liberal ideologies and cultural effects can only be countered, by people who are familiar to them and the environment.

Someone like Zakir Naik might be equipped to assist the muslims, but not an average Saathi in TJ from rural India.

And ALLAH knows best.

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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2023 09:31

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My analysis is :
The attacks on us from media or tyrant rulers is hurting us less than 10%.

It can be compared with symptoms like fever, headache, acute pain etc.

But the cancer in our society is 90%, which is hurting ummah more.

Do you blame MBS or common saudis for this:

Riyadh Season 2019

The first edition of the festival was launched on 11 October 2019 and was set to end on 15 December, but it was extended to January 2020 after the number of visitors exceeded 10 million. It included 100 events that took place at 12 different zones

in 2022 there is multi fold increase in visitors and viewers.

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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2023 18:58

No. Who told you it has?

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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2023 21:35

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Islam is dead is west. Anything who thinks otherwise is deluded. Seems like western arrogance is so contagious it affects Muslims living there too. The ruhaani state of Muslims in west is lowest anywhere and among the most diluted with modernism, liberalism, feminism.

How deluded muslim are to think Muslims in sub continent, Middle East, Far east and African Muslim nations need to western uleman and daees lol. Islam among us here is just shallow. Bit like an raw egg. Looks solid on outside but sightliesg of knocks it cracks. Allah guide us and the future generations of Muslims in west. If we dnt make hijrah or set up khanqas and revive traditional our apostasy rates will dwarf that of the americas

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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2023 21:53

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Bismillah.

Well muslims in the east are in greater danger. Even villagers have social media atleast we are aware of the dangers. There they have not got a clue. Modernity is seeping in Liberalism Feminism and all other ism's are making inroads.
The Maulanas themselves are unaware of the threat and instead remain immersed in their sectarian politics and denouncing each other.

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I don't doubt it for a sec but no way is it worse than UK and west in general. What we don't realise is in muslim nations islam and culture and intertwined and flows through their blood so stuff like lgbt n feminism will be rejected by masses as its against fitra and norm there. Here in uk let's face we know and consider stuff like zinaa drinking lgbt haram but dnt feel as much disgust and anger to it as it been bought up seeing it normalised.

As for muslim nations only the elite and govt mostly promote this filth. We have to differentiate between the leaders and elites who study in West and bring their filth back.

As for ulema there ur right some seem to be out of touch.very concerning seeing mufti taqi and deos hosting the deformist yasir qadhi and before that paksitnw inviting uae stooge hamza yusuf. Dangerous times everywhere. We can only beg Allah for guidance

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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 17th January 2023 22:55

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Bismillah.

All these are circular arguments. We could argue back and forth for ever. The fact is muslims in the U.K. living in a non-muslim country are still struggling against the tide to hold on to their deen. And work of deen is happening.

But perhaps should ask our respected brother. Where the following comments were posted.

"All is well in UK, everything achieved, mission accomplished ".

" Tableeg is not so important now."

" Now sub-continent Muslims have to visit UK and learn deen ".

Our brother has a very unique style of rhetoric.

As for your remarks about western arrogance and privilege. And westerners going to do dawah in Muslim countries.. I dont recall those exact words posted anywhere either.

But two points of interest on this topic. Firstly the ruling elite and people of influence who consider themselves progressive and do not respect their local ulemah and consider them backward. Are very much in need of dawah and more likely to be receptive to western Daèes who speak better Englisg then they do .so yes western privilege is very much real and does work.

Secondly in certain "isms" local Ulemah are not qualified or familiar with the arguments. For example in the Gulf countries in recent years have had a huge problem with Atheism. And a few years ago in Saudi Arabia Hamza Tsortiz who is a specialist in this field was invited to hold seminars at Islamic Universities on this.

So yes the locals in muslim cointries need to be aware of the intellectual arguments of these liberal ideologies and how to counter them. And people most qualified to do that are western daees.

Although it was not mentioned it is actually a good idea for western Ulemah/Daes to visit muslim countries and educate the people with colonised minds.

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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2023 02:33

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Although it was not mentioned it is actually a good idea for western Ulemah/Daes to visit muslim countries and educate the people with colonised minds.

Please visit us and educate our masses.
Please visit us and declare
"Living in the west We have have thrown the Western culture in garbage, why you Muslims pick this garbage and feel proud on this"

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2023 11:24

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Either you have a problem comprehending what is being stated and in what context. Or you are being deliberately obtuse.

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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2023 11:49

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Kindly explain this quote from our brother

Although it was not mentioned it is actually a good idea for western Ulemah/Daes to visit muslim countries and educate the people with colonised minds.

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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2023 12:12

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Do you understand what a "colonised mind" is. If not research and get back to me.

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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2023 12:26

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Let me explain
In India, a product gets exported from India, other countries change the label and make it "Made in UK Or US", Indians buy it for triple the actual price.
Dr Zakir Naik's research is based on actual research made by Maulana Rahmatullah Kairanwi RA, it is in urdu, translated in English.

The book is "Izharul haq"

Translated as "truth revealed"

How many of us know this.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2023 13:16

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Yes I agree in certain areas like tackling these new isms western daees could be beneficial but vast majority are najdis and will throw in that poison. I consider salafism as a gateway into modernism. They just wrap it up in an 'Islamic' garm. They constantly bash 1400 years of Islamic culture and traditional with the silly pure prestine islam but what they really mean is Saudi/najdi and western palatable islam

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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 18th January 2023 13:50

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Bismillah.

That was not my question. My question to you was what the words
"Colonised Mind" means. Point is you need to fully understand what the counter-argument that is being presented is. Instead of just cutting/pasting what others say and then regurgitating in a sarcastic manner.

I am well aware of Izhar Ul Haq written by Maulana Rehmatullah Karanvi ( May ALLAH have mercy upon his soul) in response to the Christian Missionary Reverand Pfander.
I am also aware that Shaykh Ahmed Deedat was inspired by that work and used it as a foundation in his polemics.
And I know that Zakir Naik was a student of Shaykh Ahmed Deedat.

As it stands in the year 2023 christianity here in the U.K. is null and void and has been for decades. The ideologies of Marxism, Liberalism, Modernism, Atheism, Feminism, etc. Have swept Christianity aside in most of western Europe. Although Christians still have a strong presence in America.

Zakir Naik has had to evovle his dawah for the Europeans. In dealing with the "isms".

And most of our Daees here in the west have to engage in learning these, ideologies and philosophies in order to counter them.

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