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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 4th January 2023 14:48

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We do amal for Allah.

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Collective karguzari of shura is better than that of nizamuddin.

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 4th January 2023 16:44

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What did you hear from nizamuddin regarding what is the official word from maulana saad sahib who is the single witness in bangle wali masjid. Or did you get any official wazahath on happening in markaz nizamuddin from 1993 to till date.

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 4th January 2023 16:52

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Bayans/talks/lectures should be limited to qualified scholars only. Do your tabligh, but don't ask laypeople to give talks!

Agree or disagree.

Is it correct to ask a layperson to give a bayan?

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 4th January 2023 18:32

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Yes as long as there are boundaries and guidelines.

For example if the layperson is saying how Salah changed their life or how they have seen the lives of others changed through salah. Nothing wrong with that.

Or if they are referencing a Scholar repeating verbatim what he stated without embellishment, addition or subtraction, then that should be fine.

If they start talking about different rulings in salah in the various books of fiqh or their opinions on Ayats and Hadith pertaining to Salah. Then they are going outside their bounds.

And ALLAH knows best.

On the flip side I recall Shaykh professor Mohammed Aslam. Mentioning in one of his lectures that he met some young Madrasaah graduates who regularly attended or were fans of Tafseer lectures given by a Jamaat e Islami person. He asked them that guy is a non-Aalim whilst you are graduates. Why are’nt you giving Tafseer lectures.???

Similarly I remember Nouman Ali Khan mentioning he met Professor Abdul Haleem a translator of the Quran and teacher of Arabic and Islamic studies at university. He asked him about some interpretations concerning a certain verse of the Quran. After receiving an answer he later mentioned that to a group of young Ulemah and they agreed that his explanation sounded reasonable. Then he asked why is it that I needed to get an answer from an academic why could’nt you Ulemah provide me with an answer in the first place.???

So we have a two fold problem we have madrasahs who seem to be churning out young graduates like a production line focusing on quantity rather then quality. Who don’t seem be confident on in doing the Dawah or how to research and reference things and relay them to the public.

So we have people who are not qualified doing the work instead. It seems to me at the forefront of the Dawah effort these days especially on YouTube it’s mostly laypeople doing it.

And irony here is that many of these Madrassah graduates themselves, ardently follow non-Ulemah the likes of NAK and Hamza Tsortiz and various others involved in preaching, polemics and defending Islam.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 4th January 2023 22:21

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Yes I heard from top people who were doing this for sixty years at least and close to those mashaikh. In europe mashura in morroco. They made everything clear in 2018. I don't want to mention names.Telling us how Maulana Ahmed laat and Ibrahim Dewla are very wrong on this. I was present at nizamuddin at 2017 and 2019.

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 5th January 2023 01:15

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What is the official explanation from maulana Saad sahib on incidents from 1993 to till date. This must include his elevation as Aalami Ameer.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 5th January 2023 02:21

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Which karguzari?
Do you know how many 4 months jamaat where sent inside India alone after 2020. Do you know the malaysia numbers?

Bro, when one of your top state didn't had shabguzari I was spending my time there. Nizamuddin saathis had their shabguzari, then shura started.

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 5th January 2023 02:27

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You are abusing and accusing maulana saad sb for proclaiming as ameer.

Why are you running with a paper of 10 shura members and asking them to make rotating amirs or faisal???
Why are you hoping for emarat?

You said nizamuddin saathis are taking away fazail e amal from ummat. Have you ever seen the new abridged version that shura is using in some parts of the world??
Majority of the summary is not there.
We didn't change the book, we stoll have the full version.

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 5th January 2023 02:36

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You didn't answer my questions

1. In which mashwarah majlis Maulana Saad sahib was elevated from one in five faisal by turn to Ameer of tableeg.
2. Who were the members of that shoora majlis where this important decision was taken.

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 5th January 2023 02:55

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Default amir bro. It was as per the decision after hazratji Inam sb. Follow the mashwara.
Only maulana zubair sb and maulana saad sb were running the affairs for a long time. Any one of them had the authority to change it or include any others, not you or me or anyone outside of these 2 beloved elders.
In this work, we must learn the obedience first. Hayatus Sahaba starts with ithaad. To progress you need obedience at first bro,

See yourself bro, creating multiple topics under frustration. This is neither the work nor the solution. Our work is only for Allah. We don't do work for one person or leave the work for one person. Seems like you are a gem, spent your valuable time and effort. Don't waste your time here. You continue for shura itself, but stop these propaganda against nizamuddin and keep focused on your work alone. These propaganda and debates will ruin our time and mind.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 5th January 2023 06:50

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Default amir bro.

So maulana Saad sahib assumed that he is Ameer by default. No formal mashwarah was done to reverse the decision of 1995.

The correct process was that world Akabir would have met in Makkah or Raiwind, Maulana Saad sahib would have requested for guidance. That didn't happened.

The Azaab of this one man's blunder was.... sathees went through turmoil, foreign ladies were in Indian Jail for months, yaa Allah!!! Could not imagine how shura akabir were crying in there collective and personal duas for these ladies.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 5th January 2023 08:11

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There are two things here. One is hasad from these elders saying 'how can a kid who grew up in front of us now be our ameer?' Willing to destroy this noble work for their ego. And two is the enemies of Islam conspiring against tabligh and want tabligh to go around like a headless chicken. Miami Mehrab ra used to say "noone can harm this work from outside, it can only come from inside". And yes they have come close to doing that.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 5th January 2023 08:44

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Why is maulana Saad sahib Ameer by default. Explain.

What better quality did Maulana saad sahib had to be an Ameer, when akabir like Maulana saeed khan sahib RA, Mufti Zainul aabideen RA, Hajee abdul Wahab sahib RA, Maulana Umar sahib palanpuri RA, Mian ji Mehraab RA were present in 1995.

What is hasad, when legally correct and genuine demand was placed to follow the decision made in 1995. Restore the status quo of 1995.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 5th January 2023 09:20

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The ten Shura members agreed on three people in nizamuddin to make the decisions and not more. For several years Maulana Zubair and Maulana Saad db were faisals in any mashura or ijtima.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 5th January 2023 09:31

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The following decisions were taken by shura of world akabir.

1. Henceforth there shall be no Ameer.
2. Nizamuddin will be run by 5 member shura. Maulana Izhar sahib, Maulana Umar sahib palanpuri, mian ji Mehraab, Maulana zubair ul hassan, Maulana Saad sahib. Faisal by turn for 3 days, 3 faisals, maulana Izhar sahib, maulan zubairul hassan, maulana Saad sahib. Later all 5 members of shoora were made faisals.

When members of shoora passed away, global akabir requested to replace members in shoora, Maulana saad sahib (backed by his Zaalim armed gang) hatched a conspiracy and waited for 4 members of shoora to die and elevate himself as ameer by default.

Now to shield maulana saad sahib for his zulm act, stories were created that others were in hasad, others were trying to loot money in nizamuddin etc. etc...... Kuffar conspiracy theory, yahood conspiracy theory... what not.

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After 2014, in which mashwarah, the decision taken by global akabir in 1995 was reversed.

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