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#16 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2022 05:08

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Read Dr76's posts on this topic, you seem to be an EXTREMELY confused individual, you try to act as if you know everything but in reality your extremely confused.
Majority of the senior elders (Moulana Ibrahim sb etc) left Nizamuddin a LONG LONG time ago.

Majority of the major Islamic Institutes in India support the shura, majority of the Maraakiz in Bangladesh (including Kakrail) are on the shura side (you already what happened when Moulana Saad tried to enter the country back in 2018).

In England majority of the Maraakiz are on the shura side, Moulana Yusuf Darwan sb (Imam of Dewsbury Markaz), Moulana Saeed Patel sb, Hafiz Sharif sb (Hafiz sbs older sons) and many other elders left Dewsbury in like 2018.

Right now perhaps the most active TJ Markaz in the world is Raiwand Markaz. People from all over the world go there on a daily basis, even during covid (was there myself last year). The Alami Ijtema took place over their just last month, people from all over the world came, Arab world, Africa, Europe everywhere. One of the biggest muslim gatherings in the world. All the Maraakiz in Pakistan are connected to Raiwand (compare that to Nizamuddin).

WAKE UP, WAKE UP, WAKE UP! Don't criticize the other br as if you know everything when in reality you know absolutely nothing, nothing at all. Read Moulana Ibrahim sbs letter who is one of the most senior TJ elders right now, graduated from Deoband in like 1955. What world do you live in?

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#17 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2022 05:36

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Bro, you need to be updated about malaysia jode.
World is big, just open your eyes.
Do work for Allah, not for personalities.
Bangladesh had old workers jode long back, do you know how many attended?
Again I'm repeating, the real work of a tablighi is himself and his masjid. Not damage control or etc, this is not a misaaj of a daaie.

Only Allah can guide, judge the haqq. Nizamuddin brothers are doing effort for Allah, why are you running with fatwa and audio clips behind them and accusing them.

You call people towards Allah like they do, do better than them. COMPETE IN GOOD..
What's stopping you from not doing?

None of the 3 hazratji said to do brainwash, stop the effort of others, damage control, etc. If you really follow 3 hazratji you shouldn't do such things.

Cry to Allah not in public forums..

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#18 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2022 05:38

I'll not waste anymore replying, I have some useful work.
Take care elders and brothers in this thread. May Allah accept your efforts and mine, and make us means for good and guidance.

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#19 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2022 06:54

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Bro, you need to be updated about malaysia jode.
World is big, just open your eyes.
Do work for Allah, not for personalities.
Bangladesh had old workers jode long back, do you know how many attended?

1. Malaysian ijtema was aalami ijtema. Inside a Masjid? why?
2. Can you compare karguzari of Raiwind with this jod.
3. We are not competing with malaysia or nizamuddin. Whatever khair from these jod, we also receive that khair.

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Again I'm repeating, the real work of a tablighi is himself and his masjid. Not damage control or etc, this is not a misaaj of a daaie.

Jamaat from shura also are visiting your Tamilnadu state for tableeg only, your friends are closing doors for them, throwing their bags. If I am present at a masjid where shura saathees do this, I stand with nizamuddin jamaath and stop locals from evicting jamaath from masjid.

If our elders had not done damage control, tableeg would have been finished by now.

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Only Allah can guide, judge the haqq. Nizamuddin brothers are doing effort for Allah, why are you running with fatwa and audio clips behind them and accusing them.

the common muslims are running with fatwah. We have only 2 demands,
1. return to status quo of 1995.
2. Return to usools compiled during golden period of 3 hazrat jees. No new usools generated after 1995.

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You call people towards Allah like they do, do better than them. COMPETE IN GOOD..
What's stopping you from not doing?

Nothing changed for us, we continue to do our job, we are not competing with anyone.

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None of the 3 hazratji said to do brainwash, stop the effort of others, damage control, etc. If you really follow 3 hazratji you shouldn't do such things.

We are not brainwashing, our saathees from nizamuddin do brainwash, they claim "Elders would have committed suicide inside nizamuddin when they were persecuted, this was better than splitting the noble work". Why cann't these zealots advise maulana saad sahib and his gang to stop tyranny, follow shariah. Practice what they preached for 20 years inside nizamuddin.

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Cry to Allah not in public forums..

No one from nizamuddin faction likes to speak to us personally, they shout, beat us, don't want to listen to the haq presented by us. So we took social media path to present our side.

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#20 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2022 07:37

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This is getting ridiculous here
Stop trying to change the topic, and also refute all the points I made in my previous post. Go ahead. I DARE YOU. WALLAH. Why would you compare the Malaysia jor with the Raiwand jor? W-h-y w-o-u-l-d y-o-u d-o t-h-a-t? Why on earth would you do that? loooool 🤣🤣🤣
The Malaysia jor was not even a fraction of the Raiwand ijtema, NOT EVEN A FRACTION.

All the senior elders and Ulama were present at the Raiwand Ijtema. How many were present at the Malaysia jor?

Btw why don't these gatherings happen at Nizamuddin anymore?

Don't try to play the victim card again

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#21 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2022 12:13

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That's all limited to the Markaz. None of what you said is anything to do with an Ameer of Tableegh.

The Markaz can have an Ameer. I'm sorry my question has not been answered. Jazakallah for trying.

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#22 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2022 12:26

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1. Even Maulana Saad sahib was happy without an ameer for the period 1995 to 2014.
2. When world akabir met for mashwarah, Hajee Abdul wahab sahib was faisal for that mashwarah majlis. Maulana Saad sahib was never a faisal for global mashwarah.
3. Supporters of Maulana saad sahib claim shura is not from sunnah. Then why for 19 years maulana saad sahib accepted it. And if world ameer was to appointed in 1995, Maulana saad didn't had any special critiera for selection as Ameer. If at all, global ameer would have been appointed, as per seerah the following; in that order, were more eligible.
1. Maulana Saeed khan sahib mahajir makki RA
2. Mufti Zainul aabideen sahib RA
3. Maulana Umar sahib palanpuri sahib RA
4. Haji Abdul wahab sahib RA
And many more...

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#23 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2022 13:25

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Can someone explain why Tableegh needs an Ameer?

Appointing one for a small group assigned to a locality by the group itself is understandable and serves a purpose. What's the purpose of a ruler/leader of Tableegh?

I'm not asking about Ameer for Markaz, Masjid, Gatherings in buildings, small groups that go out to other localities. I'm asking about Ameer of the work of Tableegh (Amr bil Maroof and Nahee anil Munkar). Why does it need a ruler/leader?

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#24 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2022 14:11

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When there is no one coming forward to take the responsibility, there is nothing wrong in taking the headship. When you have options available but still you favour your own son over others, there is something fishy in it. However, you can not denounce his authority either because the Quran says take care of your relatives as well. It is a complicated matter when there is none who is worthy of leading a group of people and it is very easy when you have worthy people in front to choose from.

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#25 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2022 14:50

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Can someone swear from maulana Saad sahib DB group and narrate what happened in 1995.

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#26 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2022 17:20

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Who should be faisal at world level mashwarah? Or who should be the faisal in mashwarah in markaz in India/pakistan/bangladesh?

Kindly suggest.

Ideally a permanent Ameer is preferred. But Maulana Inamul Hassan RA through his firaasath could foresee the present scenario. Hazrat jee foresaw the misbehavior of maulana Saad both as one of five faisal and after 2014 (self proclaimed Ameer). He presented the faisal by turn policy with no single Ameer. Hazrat jee witnessed the management of tableeghi jamaath by shura created by him (faisal by turn) in his life itself.

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#27 [Permalink] Posted on 31st December 2022 08:57

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I guess that is what he is trying to explain. Tableegh doesn't need an Ameer. Tableegh needs the Markaz though to manage its activities as a group. And that Markaz needs a "management" which is led by the Ameer.

Even the oldest and most senior of Tableeghi brothers are very cautious about the issue of Ameer. They don't want themselves to be referred to as such. It's a very sticky slope. Haji Abdul Wahab has many famous sayings about this. I suppose that's where most Tableeghis have an issue with Maulana Saad. When the older ones are so cautious in this regard, why is he "arrogantly" proclaiming himself Ameer.

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#28 [Permalink] Posted on 1st January 2023 01:46

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Maulana yusuf son of maulana Saad sahib is next ameer of maulana Saad sahib faction.
Be happy.

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#29 [Permalink] Posted on 1st January 2023 06:37

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The visiting Indian akabir appreciated the Raiwind Ijtema for their discipline, dedication and qurbani.
This is karguzari of 2 ijtemas held in Raiwind, compiled by Indian akabir.

Raiwind ijtema is the only one which was uninterrupted, Covid and lock down could not disrupt this ijtema.
Ijtema was held in two sessions, atendees was equally divided. 4+4 lakh attendees could be accommodated in pendal. press estimated the floating crowd and reported the attendees to be 10+10 lakhs.
The local masjid musallees formed a single group and stayed in the pendal and had their food in pendal itself. It was a make shift masjid for them. The organisers offered the mounting pillars, the roof sheets were erected by each masjid for their part where they stayed.
The discipline by the attendees was praised by Indian akabir.
10,600 foreign saathees representing 107 countries were present in ijtema. They stayed for full week. They were served by Raiwind madrasah students and teachers with ikram, muhabbat, sa'aadath.

1st ijtema:
2,880 jamaats . 741 Jamaath with 7,000 sathees from other countries ,
91 local jamaaths travelling to other countries for one year/7 months .
54 Local one year jamaaths.
1533 local jamaaths.

2nd ijtema. 245 jamaath from foreign countries, 97 local jamaaths to foreign countries, 56 local one year jamaaths , 1733 local jamaaths.
Most of the bayans were delivered by Indian akabir.

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#30 [Permalink] Posted on 2nd January 2023 06:57

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The division hurts both factions.

Let us move on.

What do you expect from shura sathees for reconciliation.

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