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#1 [Permalink] Posted on 26th December 2022 01:45
The head of dargah (shrine) of nizamuddin, Ajmer etc. is called Sajjadah Nasheen. This position is inherited. After death of the head, son automatically takes over. This is continuing for hundreds of years. The same process is with Imam/head of Delhi Jamia masjid.
Unfortunately this has influenced Delhi Markaz. It is pre decided that son of maulana Saad sahib DB is next Ameer of tablighi jamaat, after him his grand son is next Ameer. Sealed...
It is claimed that All this is from seerah.
Laa haula wala Quwwah.
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#2 [Permalink] Posted on 26th December 2022 09:24
Here I recall Hazrat Abu Bakr Ra, the first khalifah.
1. When he was proposed for Amarath, he avoided it, he said, select either Ubaidah or hazrath Umar RA for khalifah. Muslims insisted that he shall be made Ameer, they cited the tense atmosphere prevailing at that time. He said, "I accept as an interim solution and as interim Ameer, when peace return, you can sit together and chose your Ameer"
2. Later when peace returned...... 3 days, after every salah 15 times, he declared that he is an interim Ameer, chose a permanent Ameer.
3. He used to say, he didn't want to take amarath, people forced him to accept amarath.

Hazrath Umar RA was nominated as khalifa by Hazrath Abu Bakr RA.

Hazrat Umar RA constituted shura for selection of next Ameer, he added his son Hazrat Abdullah to the selection committee with a condition that he shall never be selected Ameer.
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#3 [Permalink] Posted on 26th December 2022 09:48
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How Hazrath Ali RA was selected as Ameer"

Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ari said: "We affirmed the validity of 'Ali's leadership after 'Uthman on the basis of the allegiance sworn by those of the Companions who were people of prominent position and decision-makers, because none of the members of the consultative committee was nominated other than him at that time, and there was consensus on his virtues and justice."

Narrated Salim ibn Abi Ja'd from Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah: "The Companions of the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alayhi wassalaam) came to him and said: 'This man (Uthman) has been killed, and the people must have a leader. We do not find anyone who is more deserving of that than you, or who is more senior in Islam, or closer to the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alayhi wassalaam). 'Ali said: 'Do not do it, for I would rather be an adviser to you than a leader.' They said: 'No, by Allah, we will not do anything until we swear allegiance to you.' He said: 'Then (do it) in the mosque, for allegiance to me should not be hidden, and it should only he with the approval of the Muslims. Salim ibn Abi Ja'd said: "Abdullah ibn 'Abbas said: 'I did not want him to go to the mosque for fear of troublemakers, but he insisted on going to the mosque.' When he entered the mosque, the Muhijiroon and the Ansar came and swore allegiance to him, and the people did likewise.

(radiAllahu `anhuma ajmaeen)
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#4 [Permalink] Posted on 29th December 2022 06:22
Supporters of maulana Saad sahib quote from Shah Walilullah RAa fourth way of acquiring amaarath.... By force..... He must not be removed from Aamarath, as it may lead to anarchy.

We disagree;
Why Maulana Saad sahib should acquire Amarath by force.
Why can't he take the Mashwarah route to get himself elevated to Ameer from one in five Faisals. And what chaos will be created by demoting him from self proclaimed Ameer to 1 of 5 faisal.
Who will create disturbances.
Why infighting will start.
If chaos is created who will use this opportunity to destabilize Tableeg.
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#5 [Permalink] Posted on 29th December 2022 15:02
Can someone explain why Tableegh needs an Ameer? In my opinion this has been cause of chaos and Fitnah.
Appointing one for a small group assigned to a locality by the group itself is understandable and serves a purpose. What's the purpose of a ruler/leader of Tableegh?
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#6 [Permalink] Posted on 29th December 2022 15:35
A group that split in order to save and protect the tabligh, to educate people. But the whole world is now watching and aware that who is the cause for the loss of weakness in khurooj and local amals, etc.
A real tabligh person will work on his own self rectification, make effort on people. It's time to think what I'm doing,

If a person really goes by the Global Aalami shura, he must make effort on himself and invite people towards good. Carry fazail e amal, don't carry fatwa copies and audio clips. This is not the pattern or hidayat of all 3 first hazratjis.
Is hidayat given by aalami group to talk bad about other group, circulate fatwa, etc or go in khurooj and local amals.

I know there will be some haters to my post, but I Don't reply and do useless stuff. Because that's not the tabligh as per all first 3 hazratjis..

A real tabligh will be busy and doesn't have time to create chaos and spending fitna, enemity. They used to ask a karguzari to a real tablighi, is your masjid 100 percent namazi, if yes are they 100 percent in amals, if yes are they getting the help from Allah directly.
Pseudo exists..
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#7 [Permalink] Posted on 29th December 2022 16:07
A detailed reply will follow.
For the time being:
Compare nizamuddin karguzari for last few years with raiwind, Kakrail, and indian States where majority is shura.
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#8 [Permalink] Posted on 29th December 2022 16:28
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Brother, please wake up. 😆
Indian states where is shura majority?
I was spending time in a topmost shura state, when there was no shura shabguzari then.
pls don't waste your and my time. I have some work. Let's leave this here, let SHURA be the 🏆 🥇 WINNER.

Continue with the hidayat of your shura,
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#9 [Permalink] Posted on 29th December 2022 16:34
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Numbers?
Back up your claim with nizamuddin
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Pak, BD, Gujarat, karnataka etc.

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#10 [Permalink] Posted on 29th December 2022 17:28
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Karnataka? 😆 🤣 😂
No point replying you. You are winner. Bro
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#11 [Permalink] Posted on 29th December 2022 17:39
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In order to understand the position of Ameer in Taligh, one has to read about third Hazrat Ji, maulana Inamul Hasan sahib RA
He was close associate of Maulana ilyas RA and Maulana Yusuf Sahib RA. His view was well respected.
Maulana Yusuf sahib RA used to start the mashwarah after arrival of maulana Inamul Hasan RA. That is the position he held from day of tableeg to the day he was made Ameer.

One day his shaykh asked him "Maulvi Inaam what change did Amarath bring in your life"

Hazrath Jee replied "I stopped presenting my view. I decide on the best view presented before me".
Hope you got the answer. Ameer is Faisal for mashwarah, or a Hakam for disputes.

No unilateral decisions, no bossing, no prosecution powers, no reprimanding of followers. And Ameer is best example for following usools and discipline.

And tableeg has no admission nor expulsion. And one can leave tableeg and yet no harm will be done to him. No reprimand for disobeying the Ameer. He will be reformed with requests.
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#12 [Permalink] Posted on 29th December 2022 17:43
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What is wrong with gujarat, karnataka. And why are you silent on Raiwind and Kakrail.
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#13 [Permalink] Posted on 29th December 2022 18:56
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A group that split in order to save and protect the tabligh, to educate people. But the whole world is now watching and aware that who is the cause for the loss of weakness in khurooj and local amals, etc.


The world knows Maulana saad sahib is the cause for the loss of work and weakness in khurooj and local amals, etc. And he is the root cause for the split. He is responsible for jailing of innocent foreign saathees including their ladies (upto 7 months). He is responsible for closing of markaz nizamuddin. He was surrounded by "yes men", he took unilateral decisions, he behaved like "I am the boss". Moreover the curse of persecuted elders worked against him.

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A real tabligh person will work on his own self rectification, make effort on people. It's time to think what I'm doing,

The tragedy of tableeg was maulana saad sahib thought he is above all this. He is rectified directly by Allah, he has divine inherited, ludooni ilm.

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If a person really goes by the Global Aalami shura, he must make effort on himself and invite people towards good. Carry fazail e amal, don't carry fatwa copies and audio clips. This is not the pattern or hidayat of all 3 first hazratjis.


Alhamdulillah shura elders never deviated from 3 hazrath jees. While maulana Saad sab clearly deviated from principles of the 3 hazrath jees.

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Is hidayat given by aalami group to talk bad about other group, circulate fatwa, etc or go in khurooj and local amals.


We must clear your mind. Expose the deviations.

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I know there will be some haters to my post, but I Don't reply and do useless stuff. Because that's not the tabligh as per all first 3 hazratjis..


That is the principle of present shura akabir.

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A real tabligh will be busy and doesn't have time to create chaos and spending fitna, enemity. They used to ask a karguzari to a real tablighi, is your masjid 100 percent namazi, if yes are they 100 percent in amals, if yes are they getting the help from Allah directly.
Pseudo exists..


We are exposing the fitna. we are on damage control exercise or mitigation process. In Bangladesh and pak everything is moving smoothly. Raiwind never stopped, 2 annual ijtemas uninterrupted. Foreign jamaat are visiting these countries, their Local jamaaths for an year, 6, 4 months are visiting foreign countries.
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#14 [Permalink] Posted on 29th December 2022 19:36
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You've described what an Ameer is. The definition/duties. That wasn't the question.

The questions were:
Can someone explain why Tableegh needs an Ameer?
Appointing one for a small group assigned to a locality by the group itself is understandable and serves a purpose. What's the purpose of a ruler/leader of Tableegh?

The examples you gave also is for when the work was new and required Mashwarah to ensure the best decisions are made to what should be included in the work and not included. That's not the case now. The above question is still open if anyone knows the answer.
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#15 [Permalink] Posted on 30th December 2022 01:21
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There are mashwarahs on daily basis from masjid to world level. Decisions are to be taken. This requires a faisal.
Assignments have to be decided, feedback has to be reviewed after the completion of the assignment.
As you said, policy decisions are not taken in one sitting, it is discussed many times in mashwarah majalis. Occasionally new policy decisions are taken. Like no new big gathering or split large gatherings etc. Concentration of jamaaths wherever irtidaad is taking place, or countries where new development or new facts are revealed.
This requires Faisal.
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